I still think Yun is great and i try posting here as much as i can to share my knowledge and talk to the other players so we can grow, just sucks how dead it is, sometimes il post something in a thread and check to see thr yun forums every few hours if anyone else posted and il see my name on the “Last Poster” for like 4 threads in a row for days.
I just don’t think Yun is that popular of a character. I used to play Dudley for more than a year and didn’t get any hate mail at all. Now with Yun I get perhaps 2 persons writing hate mails a week whether I win or lose. A lot of people kick me when I enter their lobbies which has made it harder to find opponents online in ranked. It could obviously be a coincidence that I’m getting hatemails but I’m guessing Vanilla Yun being op kinda made ppl dislike the character. I’ve met around 3~ persons that claim I’m a tierwhore and that Yun is op, 1 of them a high ranked akuma player. And this is now with AE2012, I can’t imagine the hate I would have gotten back in vanilla AE.
Edit:
Reading over my post i noticed that my point was lost half ways. What I mean to say is that these forums are deserted because Yun isn’t a popular character, something that I think has to do with him being OP before.
yeah i never played yun in ae2011 but i just started playing with him about 2 days ago. hes probably the most fun character i’ve played, but it is really frustrating learning matchups with him since his health is so low now
The forums were simply deserted because everyone deserted the character. As soon as the nerfs were announced for both yun and yang (especially yang) there was no one posting in their forums anymore, people just remembered how good the character was and automatically jumped ship when they heard the nerfs, and i bet they are probably playing like cammy seth or viper right now hah.
I still like Yun. I used Yun and Oni just because I like those characters, I don’t care how strong they are.
Im in the same boat, in vanilla i used akuma just because i liked the character then in ae i took up yun because i also simply like the character, to this day i still grind out with both, but i still always use yun in a tournament and will only switch to akuma if i feel the first match with yun was unwinnable.
Why do you Yun players think Sagat Vs Yun is only 6-4 i think its 7-3 when i play my friend who plays Yun, Ryu has more trouble and that is still a easy MU for me but when i pick Sagat its so easy, i can zone him easily, i can counter poke him well, i have way more health and deal more damage and have great comeback and even if he knocks me down there’s no real good mix up because he cant cross up dive kick me so there’s not really much for me to fear, i wonder which sagats you guys fight :/.
Whats the input for kara palm?
They aren’t listed as actual changes, but can someone please tell me:
What frame disadvantage is yun at after the second hit of target combo 2? (the mp, hp hp one) on block?
Was the hitbox for c. mk nerfed as I remember hearing that in the yun mirror you could do c. mp, c. cmp, c. mp, c. mk, lunge, but in training mode the c. mk is out of range.
Does yun have any actually useful counterhit combos? He has good frame traps, yeah, but he doesn’t really seem to benefit from chs that much
The second hit is -6 on block and it also does not push them as far back as it used too leaving it really unsafe.
Dont think Cr.MK was nerfed, but Cr.MP seems to push back a bit more in my experience.
And he doesnt really benefit of counter hit combos, as you said, he has great frame traps, but doesn’t really heave big CH combos.
Pretty sure you can still do this, it’s just difficult. I think it’s whiffing because you’re not timing it right, are you plinking it?
I’ve been trying, and I’m sure that it’s impossible. I think Siitch is right, the pushback on c mp has been increased. Yes I am plinking but it doesn’t make a difference because the c mk is simply out of range
it’s likely that you have the training dummy set to crouching or standing, and are waiting too long to do the combo after walking up to him.
cr.MP, cr.MP, cr.MP, cr.MK will not work on some characters unless they are standing or crouching, not both.
cr.MP doesn’t have less push back but it does have slightly less range, don’t think it affects this though.
walking/dashing into any character will put you closer than you are actually supposed to be for about 3-4f, at which point you will move back a few pixels. every character still actually moves when they are standing still or crouching - the breathing, stupid ass bobs, finger twitching, whatever random ass idle animation moves the character’s hit box slightly. this will push you back a little farther 99% of the time, far enough to the point where combos start to not work.
i dont remember this working on yun, but chances are, if it did, it worked because of a mid combo meaty at the third cr.mp. cr.MK does reach far enough, but it doesn’t reach as far as possible until the second active frame (which can’t be linked from cr.MP unless the cr.MP hits a frame or more late.) yun’s hit box is not that wide, so being pushed away from him at all will mess these types of combos up a lot.
also yun can use his frame traps to get hard knockdowns and resets, but you have to get creative…seth has a lot more stuff that has been unexplored, so i put yun on hold.
Pretty sure you get cr.mpx3 cr.mk after HK divekick in the mirror (that’s how I punish blocked hk dps)
you’re right. I didn’t realise that you had to dive kick first, I always thought that just walking into your opponent was the closest you could get to him
i need to hit the lab and find something to deal with cammy. once she knocks you down its hell trying to get out
so c.mp x 3, c.mk xx mp lunge is the best punish against cammy? You don’t need the dive kick
its a good punish but only when the cammy takes a risk with a dp.
Yun is definatley underappreciated in north america. Japan on the otherhand understands his potential. Canada Cup this year proves yun is still good in 2012.
ChocoBlanka just said in an interview that she thinks yun is top ten.
Edit: I don’t think that cr.mpx3 cr.mk xx mp lunge is really worth it. From my experiances with it the cr.mk will wiff alot even at the closest range and the damage is only a little bit more than cr.mpx2 st.mp xx H up kicks
is there a list of yun unblockables? I’m convinced that loads of these divekick setups I see kazunoko use are unblockables… or maybe it’s just james chen’s commentary getting to me lol