CvS2 just seemed so much more popular before Evo.
It seems to me that the low japanese turnout and the fact that evo was won by a relatively weak japanese A-groove player took some of the steam out of CvS2. Also the fact that everyones hero Daigo was eliminated by what many felt were inferior opponents, may have knocked a few players off as well.
About a year ago CvS2 and MvC2 were neck and neck in terms of popularity, now MvC2 is clearly the favored game.
, i’ll just say that you’re mistaken. Many people have picked up cv2 recently especially within the last year since it was released on XBL. MVC2 on the other hand is slowing down
Mvc2 is definitely slowing down…what with top players like Row and Kuan not even caring to play any more. Yea Mvc2 actually used to be way ahead of cvs2 in my opinion…I don’t think cvs2 is really getting hurt because of evo2k4. The reason why people don’t post anymore is because things are getting to repetitive…nothing good ever comes around, therefore no one posts.
It’s funny and ironic that i say “It’s becoming repetitve…” Because i know i’ve wrote this post like…4 times now ^^ just an example of the rendundancy of this board.
Not only that but it’s fall/winter, school is here, people lose interest for the time being, etc.
Mickey’s got it. The good players just don’t post anymore. So now all posts are noob posts that have archived answers. It’s getting really boring. But cvs2 is still my game of choice.
Actually can someone move this to “Fighting game discussion”?
This isn’t strategy, after all.
kindebu is such a shitty japanese a-groove player!! WHAT A FAG!!
lets just totally ignore the fact that he was on mago and sawada’s sbo2 team (that won, wow he sucks)
i think what he meant was that kindebu was a lesser “KNOWN” japanese player. and a lot of the japaenese player who hoped to see at evo(ino, otk, bas, mago) did not show up.
kindebu, dan, rf? i sure as hell didn’t know who they were before evo.
No man…he did indeed say that Kindebu sucked. Whatever though. I think that the WORST thing bout finals was the fact that Ricky dropped a custom that would have made him win. I mean…dropping cusotoms are hellz l33t skrukkah! :tup:
All in all…evo 2k4 = :tdown:
From what I understood Kindebu wasn’t even the best A-groove player in Japan, he wasn’t even second best, he was somewhere like seventh best.
And I never said he sucked, I said he was relatively weak(again from what I heard) in relation to other Japanese players. If he came to live in america he would be the best.
And sure he won with mago and sawada on his team. If I joined a tournament on Buktooth and Chois team and won would that mean I was as good as them? I heard mago was OCV’ing whole teams by himself.
CvS2 is pretty volitile. The more people see of it the less exciting it is, then people see more of it and it falls out of favor again. Hell we can barely decide which version to play.
EVO is not the reason for this, it’s more that there’s not really a better game available, so we keep taking the things we like about cvs2 and try to make it into a good game. Then in practice, it loses to what we don’t like about cvs2 and it becomes a bad game again.
I wouldn’t look too much into the japan results, i don’t see why daigo’s style should be the best in every game, in every tournament. Lets not forget he needed miracles in 3s two years in a row.
i really thought cvs2 was going to be downright eliminated for cfe… thats my biggest worry right now.
Saying Kindebu is “relatively weak” is pretty harsh and disrespectful to his skills (regardless of where you heard it from). Have you ever seen anyone take out Choi in one set AND Ricky in TWO sets of a big Cvs2 tourney? Dan is supposed to be one of the best in Japan and Ricky took him out easy (not knocking Dan’s skills, but he lost bad). Then Kindebu took out Ricky twice. He also took out Ino when they played during SBO2, and Ino was the evo champ from last year (taking out Daigo in the finals). The ONLY thing Kindebu was lacking this past year was a famous name.
I really don’t know where people are getting these crazy rankings where there’s a “7th best A-Groove Japanese player.” How would people even come up with shit like that? The fact is that if you can win a tourney with over 300 participants from various countries where the important matches are 2/3, then you should definitely be considered one of the best at the game (and not something like “oh he’s the best compared to AMERICAN players, but he’s just OK in Japan.” Saying something like that is pretty much shitting on the player AND everyone he’s beaten to get the win.
Also, Marvel has always been WAY crazier than Cvs2 in terms of popularity mostly due to the numerous rivalries and anticipated matchups that emerge year after year. There’s WAY more shit talking regarding the Marvel scene than there is with the CVS2 scene. That’s what keeps Marvel going after all these years.
Fat Japanese guy is sick at CvS2. Notice whenever he gets his Bison CC blocked, he knows better than to go for a throw or roll behind like a scrub right away? He knows to go for the counter hits instead as that’s where all the damage is. Same thing with Blanka too. He did jump forward, CC, fierce, fierce, short, (land), tripguard against Choi’s C-Sagat at Evo. Him faking so it totally looks like he’s going to throw, then doing CC, d.LK is the cheapest thing ever as well. In fact, from the look of the Evo matches to me, I don’t think this guy is beatable. Period. That team gives him way too much of an unfair advantage (psycho crusher to escape everything with Bison) and he obviously knows and is proficient in every one of the common match-ups, tactics, and various gimmicks.
Keith is just upset that people are shitting on Kindebu because he plays Maki though.
Yeah. Kindevu’s main weakness was his Sakura vs Vega matchup. Ricky Ortiz bested him in this one.
some points to make:
there is always an off-season after evo every year where EVERY game drops in popularity.
of all the games at evo, the scene for marvel has taken the biggest hit.
low japanese turnout? This year’s evo had about as many japanese top 8 placers as any other year.
kindebu is top tier status in japan. He may not be as good as sawada or bas, but he’s definitely not far behind. He can beat any given player on any given day.
the only person who can’t decide which version of cvs2 to play is FMJaguar.
cfe is definitely not replacing cvs2. Especially not with everybody deciding that cfe sucked like 6 months ago and being very determined to not like it.
I’m not so sure about this one. I thought the new SBO 2k5 added CFE to their lineup, while taking out CvS2. They still left in 3rd strike though.
I think that was true around evo time, but i’m not so sure about today. A lot of EVO is the ec/wc/japan rivalries, and in mvc2 there is no japan, and seattle was mia. However i think ec has had it’s own little power struggle going on that makes it exciting.
A lot of the people that would agree have decided not to play any version, so that may be true now.
I don’t really think we’ll know the truth on this for a year or so, but I don’t see why we can’t give it a good try before saying it should be dumped.
FMJ…
did you go to evolution this year? because from your posts it sounds as though you have made a close observation as to whats going on with the fighting game community. in order to do so, you probably have attend tournaments like evolution. i was just curious, because you didn’t go to MWCs, which was much closer the Evo (or at least I didn’t see any one else there using Johnny in GGXX).
Did you see how Kindebu won? A win is a win but it wasn’t like Kindebu completely dazzled Choi with his awesome mindgames and tricks. He barely beat Choi with random hop activation, which is about as generic as it comes.
And in my eyes, Ricky vs. Dan was a bit of an upset. Ricky beat Dan fair and square but I wouldn’t really say Ricky is a better player, which is what you seem to be implying, more like Ricky played a better game.
But I digress: my point is that a lot of players who would have brought some variety and excitement to CvS2 this year didn’t show up. Instead we got a ho-hum final between two A-groove players. Probably the only thing worth mentioning is that Buktooth got top 5 with his random N-groove team.
P.S. Maybe Kindebu was/is better than what I, and a lot of other people thought, but he still didn’t generate a lot of excitement. Last year we got Daigo vs Ino, this year we got Ricky vs Justin Wong’s stunt double.
If you have information from evo or mwc that contradicts what was said in my last post I would be interested in seeing it.
The scene is a lot of places, tournaments, irc, aim, cell phones… running 365 days a year. For instance if you just take evo, marvel might seem dead. But if you don’t count evo, you might think that noone supports console tournaments, and that would also be wrong.