just what the fuck is so exciting watching daigo play over kindebu?
Deciding whether to watch tourney finals based on just the amount of hype so-and-so brings is like someone refusing to acknowledge the new and up-and-coming players that worked their asses off to get far in a big tournament. Besides, the Ricky vs. Kindebu match had some excitement, since it came down to clutch situations which is obviously more exciting to watch than random beatdowns that end in 30 seconds. And Ricky could’ve won a match if he didn’t screw up his custom in the clutch situation, while like you said, Kindebu had to resort to a clutch Hop Activate to win.
Yeah, I did see how he won and you know what? I WANTED Choi to win, yet I’m still giving more respect to Kindebu’s game than you are (even though I wanted him to lose). You make it sound like it’s easy to beat Choi with a “random hop activation” that’s as “generic as they come.” Funny I don’t see other people really being able to beat Choi at all in cvs2.
How was Ricky beating Dan an upset? I believe Ricky beat him 4-0 throughout the entire tourney, and NONE of the matches were even close. That’s only an upset if you just favor Dan in general and YOU were the one who was actually upset he lost.
You’re pretty much saying that Evo finals weren’t as exciting because no one that was SUPER FAMOUS or chose a crazyass low/mid-tier team made it into the finals. Not everyone plays to be flashy (especially in big tournies). Buk is probably one of the few if not THE ONLY player in the US who can take a team like that into the final 8 at a tourney as big as Evo.
You can’t really blame the fact that the CVS2 scene is quieting down on Kindebu/Ricky not playing hella flashy in the finals. They played to win, not to make sure all the fanboys would cream their pants at crazy combos.
CvS2 is here to stay as long as the players still play and put heart into the game…CFJ ( CFE ) is a fun game…it doesnt suck…it’s pure fighting minus extra gimmicks…I really enjoy it when wanting to take breather from the CvS2 cabinet.
-B. 
AMEN, close the thread now, the truth has been spoken. dan got beaten pretty badly by ricky. all of his fireball games got eaten up by a reflexive vega who can jump over them on reaction and punish.
people were also really shocked when daigo got beaten by roger williams and then eliminated by eddie lee. roger and eddie played to win, and daigo played his aggressive/haphazard style to woo the fanboys, and he got beaten fair and square.
Uh can you explain that whole Bison thing again? Are you saying that he did the CC and stopped before the meter was over and then did tripguard loss to combo into a scissor kick/pyscho crusher?
Uhhh, he means that when Kindebu’s Bison CC gets blocked, he tries to continue to set it up while the meter is still running by getting counter hits into CC because most people’s reaction is to try to hit Bison out of the CC when they see a gap in the guard crush string.
The tripguard he’s referring to is the Blanka tripguard done on an airblocking C-groove character. Though I’m sure Bison has a tripguard custom too but it’s better to go for his anti-air custom instead…
I’ve been a little busy lately, that’s why I’m responding now but anyways: remember my initial argument, I’m not here to debate what winning truly means, nor that everyone should play for the fans, I’m simply stating that last Evo Cvs2 was pretty standard and that may have killed some interest in the game.
Ricky beat Dan 4-0? Wow, I didn’t know that. I guess Ricky is better than Dan, I’ll concede that point.
Actually you know what, I’ll just get to the jist of this whole debate which is: A-groove ruined CvS2.
He said you have to be on par with Choi/buktooth/dan/justin to hang with “the best” a-groove players. That means Ricky Ortiz, Kindevu, Eddie Lee, RF, etc.
So are you saying that CvS2 would be a great game if people with zero skill should win against A-groove?
A-Groove didn’t ruin CvS2. At the last EVO that was played on cabinets (i.e. when all the good people actually came), Ino won. He used K. He didn’t have CCs. He didn’t even have RCs. What he DID have was skill. He was able to deal with A-Groovers throughout the tournament. He probably still could, if he even bothered to play it. In fact, if you look back, Daigo got 2nd. He didn’t use A-Groove either. There are tons of good players all over the world, and only a certain percentage of them use A-Groove. The only thing that “ruined” CvS2 is the people that complain about things they can’t handle, or feel are too overpowering. “Crouching fierce is too good” … “RCs beat everything” … “A-Groove ruined CvS2” … You hear every mall-scrub and his teenybopper posse saying these things about the game, and they’re so vocal that people start believing it without even trying to prove it wrong. These people never took the time to develop their characters and their games like people like Ino, Daigo, Dan, Iyo, Makoto, Choi, Buk, etc. None of those players use A-Groove. All of them can hang with the best A-Groove players.
So you have to be on par with Choi or Ino to hang with A-groove? That eliminates about 80-90% of CvS2 players past and present.
Sure you can win against A-groove with the right amount of skill but the point is, you shouldn’t have too.
He said hang with the BEST A-groove players. Hell, I’m sure they can pretty much rape random not-so-great A-groovers like nothing.