IIRC, st.mk, cr.mk link doesn’t work on all characters.
On specific characters (I’ve done this on Sagat) you can do c.MP s.LP s.LK s.RH for 208. Not really worth it for 3 links, but it’s there.
You can also do cs.FP s.LK s.RH for 236 to anyone. Obviously very risky, though.
it depends who you’re playing against. not everyone has an invincible EX-less reversal.
You can mix it up, too, after the dash-in. throw, block, bait, punish, pressure, etc.
c.lp works too, though. if it hits, it hits, yeah?
c.lk just gives you that little bit of edge because it’s faster.
ok iv been playing bison a while and have always had trouble with his c.lp s.lp c.mk x sk combos plus or minus a link depending on the situation… but lately I’v been using the the s.lk to link c.mk… and with something like +6 frames on hit the s.lk c.mk is probably one of bison’s easiest links.
Whats the timing on c.lk x 3, sk?
I’ve been trying to get this on training and have managed to get the 3 c.lk to connect but the sk won’t come out.
All c.lk are links right?
Yes, they are links. . .there’s an indicator below the opponent’s health bar (a glowing line that runs the length of their health bar). Try to hit lk as it reaches the end. As far as the scissor kick, sounds like you are not building enough charge. Make sure you’re charging from the first cr. lk. It may just be easier for you to do cr. lk x 4 xx sk, if you’re uncertain that you’re building enough charge.
You shouldn’t rely on this combo too much though, since it is does pathetic damage and is not an airtight string.
You have to hit the 4th lk (for the scissor) before the 3rd lk hits. So it’s like TAP … TAP … TAPTAP. Think about the timing for doing a single c.LK xx SK. It’s the same thing.
Alex Valle has a bison tutorial you can watch in which he explains that the cr.lkx3 sk combo isnt a “real combo” and can be easily reversed on block that is why its not airtight, and it does such little damage that you should definitely use it as mixup rather than punishment.
Just my opinion, but cr. lk x 3 xx sk is not really worth learning for all the reasons above. I see a lot of people doing it though, I generally only use cr. lk to tic throw not to combo, I know if you can land the link its a guaranteed punish but even when I think I am consistent, I still get reversaled so its not worth it, for the dmg you get which you can get from a throw as well. Its quite deceptive timing, I land the tic throw a lot, since the cr. lk seems fast. Its one of my basic strategies against Balrog and Blanka, since its stuffs pretty much stuffs anything they try and do on startup bar ultra and EX moves from what I gather. I think I won one round completely on a Blanka by doing just this, because they love mashing elec when your close and this will beat it on startup, provided its meaty enough.
Rather learn his no charge combos, they come in mighty handy, with decent dmg. One of Blankas hard trials has a pretty good no charge combo if you take out the ball and substitute for tic throw.
- Fox
Cmon dude dont tell me you think cr. lk xx sk isnt IMPERATIVE in Bisons game…
Where is that tutorial may I ask?
Cr. lk will stuff Blanka’s electricity regardless (will hit even if electricity is active [not ex version though sadly]). I think you should start using st. mk instead of cr. lk on Balrog. It stuffs all his punches and leaves him far enough for a safe cr. fierce (cancel to throw, etc.).
I’m using cr. lp x3 a lot more lately, you can even use your ultra at the end of it if you think they’ll go for a reversal (hilarious, but not safe). I’ve used this in a few matches where the opponent was aware of slide -> ultra shenanigans. Yeah it’s shenanigans too.
Sherv, I just think its a fair bit of risk for not that high a reward. Good learning ? Sure thing. IMPERATIVE ? Not so sure. That said, if you can land this everytime and its served you well, definitely keep on using it. I just havent found much luck with it. I have much better success dashing in with just 1 cr. lk or 2 to hrow off timing, and tic throw, even if I land the first one.
If we are talking imperative I would say its imperative to learn Bisons non charge combos to be honest.
I mean, (from memory) him and Blanka are the only ones capable of gaining enough charge during a combo with no charge to land a move at the end which needs charge. This is one of his biggest pluses in my opinion, and one of the things which gives him 5-5 on characters he would otherwise have problems with.
Just my opinion though Sherv. Would be good to be able to play you, but I am in Oz our connection would be shite.
- Fox
I wouldn’t go that far, IMO. There are far better “big punish” combos (I think c.LKx3 xx SK is only 126dmg) … but but it’s an easy, safe, and hit-confirmable knockdown, which is huge.
i VERY rarely use cLK x 3 when I fight. It’s just too unreliable at the moment.
On that note, when I use cLP x 3, cLK, MK SK, why is it that sometimes the cLK will whiff, while sometimes it wont??? I’ve tested it extensively, and there are certain characters it usually whiffs on (rog), while some characters, it’s SOMETIMES whiffs (chun li and cammy for instance)…had the sometimes whiff happen with Shotos sometimes too.
Two possibilities:
- Spacing is strict (i.e. you have to start totally point-blank).
- c.LP, c.LK is a 2-frame link … so I guess it’s possible that it’ll hit on one frame or not the other. Seems unlikely though.
Are you doing this in training mode?
Edit: NVM they disabled the archive.
but if u go to their profile and view clips you’ll find it.
training mode and in matches. I use it a lot after a Focus Attack, but the last cLK whiffs sometimes, seems almost random in how it misses. The 2 frame link could be a possibility, i certainly hope not
im hoping they tweak his combo execution more in SSFIV
'Preciated, thanks.
FW,
I am worried about HB though… But I concur, any good Rog wont headbutt outside of a combo, I know I wouldnt, unless I was 100% sure it would hit.
What about EX rushes, it wont stuff them on startup, BUT does it recover quick enough to throw on reaction ? More stuff for the training room…
- Fox