horrible MU for Sim, you pretty much can’t attack… a mistake and its over…
What I learn from this MU :
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[]As always im trying to keep him at good distance (what a surprise :D)
[]NEVER jump back HP or AIT (he’ll lariat)… but if you’re about to get cornered and he is jumping, teleport behind him and back dash…
[]When lariat, slide HK is a best since he will fall and you will be able to get more distance…
[]At long distance s.HP, get ready to j.MP as he jumps… and spam yoga fire…
[]Always get ready to punish green hand with b.HK or b.MK + yoga…
since the two main way gief approaches you is by jumping or green hand, b.HK is a best…
[]Beware of gief’s combo MP + c.LK… he can combo into Light 360 so… back dash
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in the corner gief players pretty much always do the same thing…
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[]cross up x2 => an easy teleport long distance
[]lariat => block + slide HK
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This thread is the shit. Many thanks to UltraDavid’s VERY insightful feedback. Plan on taking a lot of the advice from your posts. Thanks to everybody for their help! Sim FTW!
I actually don’t have such a bad time against Zangief when using sim, but the really good ones that know the matchup completely trumps me. ;(
One of their jump attacks (a punch, don’t know which) actually wins against your s.hk when they jump from full screen if they use it when your s.hk connects. You can simply do your s.hk sooner or later, but it sucks when half of the time you can’t knock their jumps away at that range.
Also he doesn’t do green hands at all once at like 3/4 unless it’s a combo or a juggle, he just inches forward and that’s the toughest thing for me. I can poke him out but he can easily lariat and knock me down or jump over and get even closer. It wouldn’t be so bad if one knockdown can be so devastating against gief, there’s just no safe way to keep him out and he has just so much health.
And what do you do against a gief that doesn’t jump at all when he has you cornered? He just sits there at a range constantly poking you and occasionally walks in to SPD you (how to avoid this? it seems impossible even if you see it coming, tower?). You jump and he lariats, same with teleport (of course). You try to counterpoke, you risk getting hit by any of his normals and he combos into you, rinse and repeat.
one tip on giefs that i started to use is yoga tower,
if gief jumps in and he has ultra this will save your life because he cant ultra through tower, the same for green hand but sometimes its just better to block and back forward flame, does more damage than throw unless you are in the corner and want to change sides.
I’ve only been playing Sim for about a week now, so my matchup knowledge is weak on Gief. I don’t know what most Giefs start the match out with at a higher level, but something that’s worked really well for me was to start the match with fierce yoga flame. Most the Giefs I play against either try to jump right away or start out with a green hand to close distance. The flame stuffs both.
I wouldn’t recommend using this more than for one round though, as it’s easy to just not do anything and punish Sim afterward.
With sim, the safest option is just to back-dash or move back and block (maybe even teleport backwards). You really can’t afford to make any mistakes at the beginning of the match and get punished for them and eat a whole combo (or even just a strong attack). Though if you know they’re gonna use green glove on you, you can just block and back throw. There’s not such a giant reward for landing the first hit as to taking the risk of getting hit at the start of a match. Controlling the area and not getting stuck in a corner is of the highest priority :x.
I didn’t see anything on this thread that specifically dealt with what to do on wake up. Geif knocks you down, he’s hovering over you…there are two choices that I know of: jump and get nailed by lariat, or don’t jump and eat a command throw. Any options that are safe and not 50/50?
If you have space teleport away (backwards), if youre in the corner… you kind of have to suck it up and wait for your chance to jump and use lk drill to get out. Really, the idea is not to get put in a situation where you can be cornered, but thats a lot easier said than done.
If the match is too laggy i need a miracle to win against gief.
Those retarded lariat mashers… oh and if theyre pissed they always use EXhand at the beginning of the round…
Yeah Dhalsim with too much input lag is impossible because you need good timing to catch people with the knee and his other anti airs.
My record is 400win->1000 loses mostly against people whowere much worse than me just literally jumped in the whole round and i couldnt react fast enough.
Dhalsim takes work. I like to play him in a non laggy environment though
if he spams Lariat, use d.mp. This is the only limb that cannot be hit by a lariat (also the reversal one). Don’t abuse, because he could use ex green hand.
You have a frame advantage if you block green hand or EX green hand to throw him (don’t know about BnB yoga flame combo), so he shouldn’t be able to throw you after, unless he whiffs in which you need to see immediately and jump away or else he’ll grab you.
Yeah, if you block green hands/ex green hands, then you get a free throw/bnb/bs.rh- but generally, I prefer to sacrifice the BnB and toss him into a corner- just gives you more vital space. I mean, if I somehow manage to push Gief into a corner (lol, not likely) then I would opt for the BnB.
Its a very tough fight, just gotta make sure you use your yoga fires well, and s.RH/s.fierce- but watch you dont get tagged with a lariat or its GG.
One mistake alot of sim’s make is using back+s.RH a.k.a the yoga knee (lol). Against poor giefs, this knee will work a treat in keeping them out when they jump in- but good giefs will almost always trade using the j.forward or j.fierce- and thats something you DONT want to happen. My advice is to simply slide/teleport out of harms way and start the zoning wars all over again. My philosophy in this fight is, if the 2 players are of equal skill, then the gief will get in on you once per game. You then have to slide/teleport/backdash/whatever out of harms way, and win.
One final tip…watch arturo sanchez vs aquasilk- probably the best sim thats every lived (sanchez) and one of the best, if not the best, gief player in the U.S (aquasilk)- and watch how sanchez zones him and baits jumps etc. I learnt far more from watching his videos than I could ever in training mode!
