DEVASTATION 2009 : June 19th-21st : $10,000.00 in Prize Pots

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=195580&page=48

Says the man who probably has NEVER WON a tournament PERIOD let alone with talent considerably better than his own.

Further more using the excuse of “Oh brackets are always messed up” pffft wtf so that’s an excuse now??
How about all these years of running + hosting tournaments we still have a problem like this and people not wanting to actually devise a solution, just label it the standard and wash it away… Noob Type Thinking.

64 people left in the tournament and watching the stream alone I saw Top#8 names fight each other while there were still 40+ combatants available in the brackets… wtf gives??

Yes they would have eventually fought each other if they stuck to there guns, played there game and made it to the Top#20 as expected BUT… from what was said on the stream, we were watching other matches from other games and was told the 64 man winners bracket was about to begin and first up I saw M.Ross vs Wong… How in the blue hell does that happen??

People can use the “Best of the Best” Arguement all you want. I play Tekken, Soul Cal, Madden, Street Fighter.
Playing the best of the best in Tekken is like running the Ultimate gauntlet.
I grew up PLAYING with and against the best in tekken, had our brackets got butt fucked and I had to face say… JOP,Truth,Jackie Tran,Crow,Clint,Wing-Zero,M.E.Red ATL,to round out the top #8 … all in MY BRACKET…
just going toe to toe with these guys is a mind fuck, you don’t just beat the best dude, you wrestle the best, you think you sweat, you tire out and to face them so soon when there is still 40 or 50 other people left in the tournament, makes no damn since at all just because that many top names shouldn’t even BE that close to each other

^they were expecting a 300 player turnout that turned into a 130 player turnout…

notice my sentence i ended it with a question (?) so i was not really sure if it is a low turnout…

Guys i heard the recorded stream does NOT have LB finals and WB finals. Just letting you guys know than i have the LB, WB, and Grand finals uploaded to my youtube.

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Enjoy.

ty sir :tup:

props

Are you trying to say that this is the first Devastation tournament ever? If so that’s definitely not true. Devastation has been going on for years over on the west coast and I was actually thinking about going to one. Simply because it seemed like a real chill tourney and a way to check out the west coast since I’m always on the east outside of Evo. To me at least…Devastation was never a major quite as big as say your own Final Round but the people that went I could tell really enjoyed themselves and I thought it would be cool to be a part of that.

Personally I also think 130 is a little low for a SFFO! major turnout but I think that just proves that just because a ton of people buy a game doesn’t mean a ton of people are gonna jump on a boat to compete in a tournament for it. Those kids playing online and at their houses either just haven’t heard of or thought about competing at that kind of level in person. We still have tournaments where a good bit of the players are the same ones that have been playing since 3rd Strike, CVS2 or earlier. Streamed events like this that are hooked up to websites like Twitter will help the tourney scene get out to the masses and turn something that’s just a major for a niche scene into something much bigger. :tup:

did anybody record Devastation Tekken 6 BR Final - Mr. Naps vs Mad Dog Jin

anyone got a link? I could not find it in the stream.

In the Tekken final, Naps came from the Losers bracket to beat MadDog.

This is really just something for “pros” to be elitist about - “We want to place high! We wanna save face! Seed us so we can beat up on scrubs first!” Who gives a damn? Someone will always get less challenging opponents. What if you are a better player but don’t have as many points because you just can’t travel as much or something like that?

You guys sound so dumb. LB can still go up to win the tourney. It happened in Tekken and SC yesterday.

i don’t think alot of people know this but the hottest event at devastation was the push up contest after the event. where is that video at??? i saw 2 cameras out there…

I know where the Ken v Ken match to determine that is but don’t have the link see the actual push ups Wheat did

devastation recorded

old, but thats for the guy asking about tekken. i forgot which one its in though. t6br finals was so fucking good.

in his interview gootecks said, there is a lot at stake here, and as soon as he said that, im like, your talking about money. now you can have your reasons for playing, and walking away with thousands in cash is always a plus, and i dont know if these guys have some type of sponsorship deals where they get a bonus for winning the tourney, but it almost made me feel that here is another reason american players will be behind. sometimes, especially with sf4, it seems american players dont want to play the best and beat the best to be the best, but because they want some cash. like, i understand why anyone would get upset because they feel their opportunity to win the top prize has been almost strip from them because of “bad seeding”, but ask yourself what your in this for.

i feel what another poster said, which is, its kinda a big fuck you to other players who might be able to squash out gootecks and put him into losers first round. its like, yall not good enough to play me, and i deserve a better chance at winning the money than you do. nah, not really. but on the other hand, i can maybe see how it partially makes sense in certain situations, but the shit was done randomly. stop with the tears. it aint like they went out to attack anyone personally. so what about the other random guy who has to face wong in round one? oh fuck him because he is probably a scrub, and doesnt have his own internet radio show, or didnt place 1st or 2nd at any majors. you wanna win money so bad gootecks, then if you get taken out, and you wanna get that money back from someone you think your better than, then fucking money match him, or shut the fuck up.

i guess the argument is, how many other mike watsons, or john chois are hiding within the 64 men left, because the assumption is probably not a lot, so us ten should be seeded in a way to avoid playing other top guys off jump, so we can take out the presumed scrubs, and make our way up easier. blah blah blah. like, wong is one of the few people who is like, i dont give a fuck, get on the sticks, im gonna beat you and move on. his ego is large, but his attitude is correct and for reason.

side note. i wanna see choi vs wong again, and if choi actually dwelves into the game more, he will beast so hard with ryu. but regardless, for a grown ass man, who doesnt play the game much, and either cant, or doesnt want to, because he has other life priorities, he really played well. now if they would have seeded it like gootecks wanted, and apparently some others too, choi wouldnt have been seeded, and probably would have ran through gootecks, ross, and a couple other names he dropped. wong and ross is talking about who’s coast is poppin, and off jump they play. dont complain, live up to your words as a player. if you think you can rep your coast to the point that you can take out east coast’s top, dont be upset when east coast’s top is in your face off jump. you just better play hard. ross is good though, but wong would have beaten him at any given time in that tourney. no offense, just sayin, so yeah if its seeded in a way, you might get some easy passes up the line, but eventually you gonna have to put up or shutup, and not just feel good running threw “randoms”. did any known good players get taken out by any randoms at all? just curious, and if they did, maybe that person isnt just a random. lol. anyone ever sat down and think of that.

First of all there were no top names from recent tekken history there so what in hte heck are you talking about??

People always SPECULATE on the best of the best but unless the best of the best can take each other on in a fair setting, if the best fo the best can’t even reach each other due to bracket issues, or the best of the best ARE NOT EVEN AT THIS TOURNAMENT then how can you label someone the best???

Your arguement is saying what??
Top players who travel to play at big name tournaments that YOU and others do NOT attend should not be seeded AWAY from other big name talent??

I mean people… in all sports the NUMBER #1 seed always takes on the bottom feeding team or scrub or noob… how in the fuck is it suddenly different now when it comes to street fighter??
Oh because there is no legit ranking??
Oh because we all think there is a list of scrubs in the 64 people left…

Explain to me why not??
Why would I want to see a final consisting of some scrub named Vicious Ovaries over say Combofiend vs Wong… when we know Combofiend has EARNED the right from years past too present to be given a fair shot at a Finals Appearance??

Did you see the G.Gear Finals?? I bet $100.00 bucks Final Round had a better Gear Finals then Devastation did and no I’m not saying change the brackets so ONLY the G’s can make it to finals but how in the hell are you going to say its just as fair to have 4-6 consecutive matches back to back with the BEST Street Fighter heads facing off AGAINST one another??

So its fair for the best talent to face each other and a scrub get a free ride to the finals SINCE the best of the best are ace-ing each other??

SEEDING KILLS THIS ARGUEMENT

What I posted in the Opposite Devastation Thread:

Alot of people seem to misunderstand what Gootecks was attempting to explain.

Gootecks felt the seeds should have gone in the order based upon [COLOR=“Red”]“Valued Wins” meaning the Tournaments Top#8 or #10 people were involved in.

He Felt Wong & Mike Ross should have been first and 2nd due to there placing at the big Gamestop Tournament.
Wong’s placement at Final Round, along with himself getting 2nd at Final Round
The SBO Qualifiers,Sensations.

Most tournaments I’ve named, individuals like EdMa,Ken I didn’t even attend. No I haven’t mentioned all the tournaments he did I was just making an example.
The reasoning behind EdMa not getting placed higher or Choi or others was due to the importance of the tournaments they’ve been apart of recently compared to everyone on the “Needed to be Seeded” list.

Which brought up yet another point… "Bring Back the Apex System"
A legit point system would have made this issue null and void.
SRK is the spot, the Haven for almost anything with the word “Tournament” involved in it, why not come together with other tournament organizers via Irc, a GD Thread, what ever and come up with a “LEGIT” Point System.
Atl has created a Points System for it’s local tournaments, which now includes tournaments held in and around the south, including Alabama,Tenn,S.Carolina, so forth and so on.
People should spend more time collaborating and putting there heads together to make this work and keep the community in a growing state.
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I think you guys are missing the point of the argument for seeding brackets. There’s a reason professional sporting events are seeded 1 vs 16, 2 vs 15, etc, to spread out the heavy hitters. I think we can all agree that if you’re planning on placing high, you’re going to have to play top players eventually, early OR late. Randomizing brackets isn’t a big deal, and we shouldn’t be diva’s about it, agreed. But this is such an easy fix that will satisfy most of the players. People have been complaining about it, there is well understood logic behind it, and it takes a little extra work. If we want gaming to be taken seriously from outside spectators, we can’t be like “oh well its just random and thats the way it is so deal with it.”

And then of course you deal with the problem of people from NY and FL traveling to AZ to play locals their first round. No it’s not breaking some unspoken law about not playing your buddies at tournaments, but is seeding that much work to where you can’t help out your competitors? Whenever i hear a tournament organizer get defensive about the bracketing i feel its because of pride, they don’t want to be told how to run their tournament. Whether it be from a lack of experience or laziness, tournaments CAN be run more efficiently all the time. Even if your major is damn near perfect (Final Round anyone?) you can still improve (buffet fuck yea) so there’s no reason to disregard serious and logical suggestions from the players. If random brackets have been drawn up on day one, yea its probably too late to seed. But the brackets are a big part of the tournament so i doubt organizers overlook the question of how to run the brackets beforehand, they just opt for the quick way out.

I couldn’t agree with Sabre more on this subject.

If you’re going to determine who is the BEST. As in FIRST PLACE. It doesn’t matter how the bracket is arranaged. These tournaments were set up to see who was #1 (and win the 2000 bucks or whatever bonus pot). Seeding is just going to set up maybe like the top 3 or the top 5. No one gives a shit if you’re in the top 16 or whatever in a tournament like this. If you made it that far, good shit. But for an event like this most people are only going to care about first place (and maybe 2nd place).

That being said, I’ve done a 128 man bracket before and let me tell you, it takes a long time to not only take location into consideration but also skill level and tournament wins. I wouldn’t say it’s all that difficult but it does take time and a lot of thought, and maybe 1 other person to check your work might help.

Honestly it didn’t really matter in the long run. Gootecks’ ranking was based on regional tournaments.

Even though he ranked himself at #3, in actuality, there were a bunch of players that didn’t play in these regional tournaments that outperformed those that did. Gootecks lost to Watson. Choi beat Edma, Ken I. Buktooth beat Combofiend. Ricky Ortiz beat Ken I.

In the end though, the best player (JWong) still won. Maybe Gootecks was simply scared of Watson.

I like this guy in the ice blue font. :tup:

i feel the arguement is still region biased since socal got the short end of the stick as regards of the bracket. I realize there are also EC players complaining as well, but i wonder how crowd reaction would change if Justin got randomed in with Daigo in a prelim Evo pool. and it was Triforce arguing in favor for Power Seeding…

Also, big props to Tristan and the devastation staff. we miss you down in socal.

Do you not understand how skill works in application or something? If a sports team is better than another and is ranked #8, they can still beat whoever was placed anywhere if they are a better team. Unlike team sports, injuries can occur, for example, so you can not apply it this way.

Look, Edma got beat by Justin, then Edma still had a chance for the WB, Grand Final against Justin if he beat Choi but he lost to Choi. YOU CAN STILL GET TO THE GRAND FINALS REGARDLESS.

You mention a fair chance. What the hell does even mean? You win or you don’t. A fair chance to rank higher? Who gives a damn? They are playing to win it all, not place 5th and go brag about it.

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andy good shit see you at evo and fix your piece of shit stick