The tourney players may learn a bit from this very forum and likewise. I know no ones here to diss him were all in this shit together which is why im saying since we inherently have to work harder based on his design we should ALL be sharing more with one another.
This forum will continue to be held back by the likes of you and others like you. This is where a discussion leads each time fools gettin sassy about shit.
Am I supposed to be put in my place now?
lol
I can see what Takinflight is talking about, because you can also win with a character that only has a jab punch - theoretically.
As it was said, Gouken doesn’t have wake-up, which already hurts him a ton, but he doesn’t have a solid pressure game either.
That counts in a tournament where everyone brings their best. You’re forgetting that, Takingflight - Gouken isn’t the only one making an effort…!
Still I think Gouken has so many finer sides to him that I feel he can always pull through, in the right hands and mindset.
I’m with ya, Takinflight - he rocks, but we must admit he isn’t easy to win with against tourney-players. In fact it’s only a matter of time before they shatter your illusion and you begin to realize you’re controlling a teddy bear in comparison to what character the opponent has selected
WHOOOOOO this thread it hot !!!
Thanks , I think? Lol!
but seriously My only real point was that sicne hes inherently deficient we need all data from as many players possible to give us as many options and or strats to consider. I for one look forward to working with any one of you here , I always have been.
You made me think everyone does bring their best in tourneys no denying that. Even in tourneys people drop combos and make mistakes too!
@ Immort4l - I know my Gouken is shitty at times, I want to get better, help me out then…Please!
Its not personal dont you have friends you talk a bunch of shit to? Lighten up and just quit hating. I treat many of you here like ive known you for the last 3 years. Thats what Im guilty of when I come in here alot of times acting like I know yall and shit.
Lets heal from this and move forward … In the name of Ansatsuken …Hadouken.
My friend is at PAX and I told him to tell Seth Killian to stop leaving Gouken low tier on purpose lol.
I’ve been tweeting Ono everyday telling him the changes are not good enough, he needs more.
Theyre saving him for SF5 LOL!
gouken has a weak wake up game.
gouken has a weak pressure game.
gouken has a weak fire ball game. (no speed change)
gouken has a weak far standing normals game.
gouken has a weak startup time for all his specials.
gouken has a week recover time for all his specials…exceped his fire ball.
we play a weak character.
Think about the characters that win at big tounaments. These are the characters that i have see win. Akuma, Ryu, Rufus, Balrog, Chunl-li, Bison, Seth, Ken, Guil, Viper, Cammy, Dhalsim, Fei, Bison, Sagat, Yun, Zangif. Some of these dont win like they used to in super but think about them the way they were in super. Now use the list of weakness I just made and apply it to these characters.
Gouken is a weak character.
Gouken is not just weak, but also awkward. He have TWO things that is entirely awkward about him.
He have parry, which is really just a glorified Command Focus. Every character have those. But problem is those does not make up as a true reversal. Reversal break armor, but Gouken using parry reversal does -nothing-. This is UNIQUE among the entire cast. Sure, you can say Fei, Cammy, Juri and Dudley have similar moves, but you also forgot that they all have reversal moves that are actually usable, plus they don’t need to guess low, mid and high.
He have supposedly good zoning fireball, but he is also the only character in the entire game with projectile that can never be two hit instantly, this is incredibly awkward. For people who is not used to it, his fireball game seem frustrating, but for anyone in the know, they know they can just focus through. It -always work-. There will NEVER be an EX fireball that hit them twice. And worst yet? Gouken have no answers to those. His lp palm now have no range, and his mp palm doesn’t start up.
There are the two things that no other characters have to deal with. I’m not even sure if there is any other character who even have one of these incredibly major flaw. Much less two.
This, along with him being weak at wake up, weak at pressure, weak at fireball, weak at most normal, weak at start up, weak at recovery time. The only thing he is good at is strong at whiff punish, strong at perfect read. which, in high level play, you don’t see much anyway. Nobody can perfect read other player consistently at high level. You can only guess right slightly more then 50% of the time, and that is simply not enough to win a tourney wit ha character that NEED to guess right all the time.
All agreed, but I don’t agree with
Once you start pressure with Gouken, in my opinion, it is all about Counter-Hit setups, because they have to respect the backthrow to Ultra and they always OS the throw, you have to work on Counter-Hit setups, and that’s his main way of pressure (just like, for example, Guy)
You can do a lot of Counter Hit setups with him:
j.HP, tiny pause, close s.MP, c.HP x Whatever (this is the usual one to go)
j.LK, c.HP x Whatever
close s.LK, brief pause, close s.MP, c.HP x Whatever
close s.LK, c.HP x Whatever
c.LP, brief pause, close s.MP, c.HP x Whatever
c.LP, c.HP x Whatever
And those changes in AE don’t help us in my opinion. I’d rather change all the stuff they gave us for a 0 frame recovery flip kick and focus.
At this point, and I know it’s impossible, I just wish we could get vanilla Gouken back…He wasn’t amazing then, but at least he might have a chance for mid or upper mid with his damage and GF mixup. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think f*cking around with Denjin will suddenly make Gouken better.
I think this is the best iteration of Gouken to be honest. 2012 that is, assuming the changes work THIS time around.
This is kind of an irrelevant post i’m about to make.
There’s no Gouken footage in the AE 2012 match footage.
Sad panda face:tdown:
PS: On a side note, How about we ditch Denjin and create a new Ultra 2.
I propose the “Machine Gun Hadoken”!
Imagine this gentlemen, Honda’s Hundred Hand Slap, but with Hadoken’s. Hell he’s got two hands and only needs 1 for a Hadoken unlike those so called students of his.
Haha, I’m joking of course but that’d be funny 
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I feel this way also and I also feel we will have more of a chance in AE 2012 to win a tourny and compete with other characters. Regardless im never droping gouken and I will work as hard as I can to win with him. Im sure with the test and feedback Gouken should receive more changes then once listed.
This will be the best version of gouken. Lets prepare to beast with him! Im looking forward to punishing blanka balls again with Old Lp palm lol.
BTW im peaceful aka Blackblaze lol. My peaceful name was hack and messed up so i had to make yet another name. Not that you guys care anyway but just letting you know. This is my final name and I hate having to change >_>
LETS GO GOUKEN 2012!!!
Gouken’s tatsu gotta be the worst special move in streetfighter ever. That shit need some fixes, there s no good reason for a mediocre move to have a recovery of an ultra, dear god why? Has anyone suggested this before: make his tastu FADCable in mid air and he can do air tatsu on the drop or throw an attack after the Fadc or something, this way the oponent has to do some guess work before he proceeds to punish the old man and it costs a bar so i think it pretty fair.
There is a stream in a few hours of AE 2012
Dudleys thunderbolt says hi.
useless?? check this out:
[thunnder Bolt]: All strengths of the move (including EX) will no longer lose easily when trying to hit an airborne opponent, and a hit opponent cannot tech roll afterwards. For the EX version, the light flash and sound follow a bit later after the move comes out.
and the move doesnt have 99999 secs delay (yes i am exaggerating) and guess what it hits crouchers
I wish Gouken’s Demon Flip came with an air throw a la Cammy’s Hooligan Combination…
and that he also had a Tengyo Denjin…
Oh well…
You do realize thunderbolt is the one where he mimics the honda butt splash but with his head, right? I sure fucking hope it hits crouchers.