Dev blog Gen changes AE 2012

Hnefi · December 14, 2011, 1:58am

When you guys say Jyasen->FAL2, are you saying that combos? Which hit? I haven’t been able to get a crumple in that combo despite repeated attempts.

MaggotSai · December 14, 2011, 1:58am

Does anyone know why Gen glows yellow when landing after a fake Oga? I’m assuming it’s just to show your opponent you did a fake Oga. I tried testing to see if it had invincibility but it doesn’t look like it does.

HNIC_Mike · December 14, 2011, 1:59am

found what appears to be xian replays on XBL. playing under GT- SG fighters

between 3700-4200 bp as gen with around 4kpp. all black original costume color 2. looks like a new acct for 2012

tha_messiah · December 14, 2011, 2:00am

EX Jyasen, FAL2. It’s on the 2nd last hit of Jyasen, any version as long as it’s the 2nd last hit and EX.

Not yet. I’ve tried to see if it’s strike and projectile invincible, it’s not. Still no explanation yet.,

ya been watching him play for the past 3 days straight.

Rhyllis · December 14, 2011, 2:31am

Did some grinding, EX Hands into U2 works on these characters (21 of the cast.) Didn’t do any trick to try and make it connect easier, just midscreen combo.

Abel, Akuma, Balrog (Boxer), Bison (Dictator), Cammy, Deejay, Dhalsim, Dudley, El Fuerte, Guile, Guy, Juri, Makoto, Oni, Rufus, Sagat, Seth, T. Hawk, Vega, Yang, Yun

Crane C.MK combos into S.LP or HP Hands on counter hit. (Crane C.MK PPP S.LP S.MP LK Gekiro 261 Damage.) (Crane C.MK PPP S.LP TC2 LK Gekiro 285 Damage.)

With FADC on counter hit combos into S.MP (Crane C.MK FADC PPP S.MP TC2 LK Gekiro 315 Damage.)

HNIC_Mike · December 14, 2011, 2:33am

yeb. this dosent pertain to 2012 specificlly, but you know the games engine pretty well, so maybe you could answer this question for me

how does the game handle start up for instant jump attacks?

i know of the pre jump frames. but does the game just add the start up of the normal as soon as pre jump is over?

Newtype_Andy · December 14, 2011, 3:16am

I didn’t see this mentioned anywhere, but EX Oga is now the medium height on the wall, not the heavy, which I believe was one of Amiyu’s requests at location tests. However, EX Oga can travel full screen from the wall, whereas medium obviously cannot. The angle is totally different off the wall.

I’m not sure what the yellow flash on all versions of the Oga feint is all about. Probably just a glitch.

MTS · December 14, 2011, 3:31am

Hmm, is it just me or is [KKK] U2 slightly slower in 2012?

[Classy 725835 days later edit]*
*They’re the same! *

rickytocky · December 14, 2011, 5:15am

hmm is the ex teiga into c ult 2 any easier to anyone else here. i could do it in AE but the situation seems to need to be the same as to where i hit the person

rickytocky · December 14, 2011, 5:19am

hmm… idk. i definitely want someone to check on that. maybe explains why it doesnt seem to be much if any easier for ME to do oga into ult2 even wiht the ex oga.

edit- may of just been me. got the timing for it. but still ult 2 does seem slower. could be because im just looking for flaw so im clinging onto your post MTS

Moleman · December 14, 2011, 6:30am

The roll combos seem pretty easy. You can stance change while Gen is rolling and then, when you FADC foward, Gen is already in the desired stance.

iLLusoyun · December 14, 2011, 6:31am

ex Oga into u2 doesnt seem as free as others stated it only seems to work if the opponent is in the corner. Are other Gen’s hitting it at will? My execution is slighty above average at best.

Al_Mantis · December 14, 2011, 7:11am

hello guys am so happy with Gen changes so far … and here a new set up on Cody … enjoy

[media=youtube]T9EkhnJx274[/media]

yeb · December 14, 2011, 7:17am

It seems there’s an extra frame in there, like the jump attack can’t start on your first airborne frame. So pre-jump+1+startup.

Al_Mantis · December 14, 2011, 7:43am

the crossup oga in the video i posted works on cody + juri + Ryu + Ken+ akuma + Gouken + using lk oga + dudley but you need to be fast and on Guy using mk oga …and works on alots of other character i need to check !!!

HNIC_Mike · December 14, 2011, 7:45am

thanks

Al_Mantis · December 14, 2011, 10:06am

Adding to this a bit.

Off a regular jump in or FADC (as close as possible, basically):
s.MP, TC2 xx HK Gekiro: Cammy, Cody, Dudley, Guy, Hakan, Juri, Makoto, Sagat, Seth, T.Hawk, Zangief
s.MP, s.HP xx HK Gekiro: Adon, Akuma, Bison, Blanka, Dan, Dhalsim, Evil Ryu, Fei Long, Gouken, Honda, Ken, Oni, Rufus, Ryu
s.HP xx HK Gekiro: Abel, Balrog, Chun-Li, C.Viper, Dee Jay, El Fuerte, Gen, Guile, Ibuki, Rose, Sakura, Vega, Yang, Yun
So one way or another, it works against the entire cast. You aren’t even sacrificing damage really against anyone but the last group. You can usually use s.HP xx HK Gekiro in situations where you’d use TC2 xx LK Gekiro, like punishing a shoto DP. It should be reliable against all the characters in the second group, and many in the third. Guile, Dee Jay and El Fuerte are characters where you should almost never try it, unless it’s off a jump in or FADC combo.

Edit: Off a focus crumple, a few characters get moved from the two-hit group down to the one-hit group, and I underlined them. Also, it’s generally better to delay your attack until the other character falls on their knees, so you get a little closer.

Off a crossup:
TC2 xx HK Gekiro works against the same characters as the first combo above, against some you can even include the s.MP but it’s finicky.
s.HP xx HK Gekiro works against everyone else EXCEPT: El Fuerte, Fei Long, Gen, Guile, Ibuki, Rose, Sakura, Vega, Yang, Yun
It may actually work against some of them if you hit the crossup just right, but it’s unreliable.

Now, setups off the untechable knockdown.

An easy but complicated safe jump setup I’m using is:

Hold up forward in Crane, whiff an attack in the air, stance change during your landing frames, neutral jump in Mantis.
You actually need to get the 5 frame stance change animation on the ground to help delay it. You usually want to finish with the opponent’s head level slightly above Gen’s, but characters that have slower wakeups may need to be even or lower. It can be adjusted to work against everyone that can be safe jumped. It works well at midscreen or all the way in the corner (neutral jumping in Crane) but I could really use an alternative setup for when jumping forward would put me in the corner.

Crossup wall dives are more complicated, you need different setups depending on whether you did a close range combo/punish or a combo at the edge of your range. It’s probably the best setup in the game though, considering the control you have over the spacing and the time to adjust. There’s enough time to whiff hands just to build meter before doing a wall dive.

i really ur post i do understand the meaning of Roll when it hits you you advantage to FADC then start a combos … but the thing that i did not get it that if your opponent blocking what are the advantage that Gen gets if he FADC the rolls when they are blocking ?? any explanation ?

and i need to know what are they mean by these two :

• (Mantis) Focus Attack - Lengthened hit stun by 3F on a level 1 hit, giving equal frame advantage/disadvantage on a hit after completing the fastest possible Dash.

• (Crane) Focus Attack - Lengthened block stun by 3F on a level 1 block, giving equal frame advantage/disadvantage on a block after completing the fastest possible Dash.
???

nubbb · December 14, 2011, 10:56am

If you hit your opponent with a Level 1 Focus Attack in Mantis and you dash cancel forward, you’re at even frames.

If your opponent blocks a Crane Level 1 Focus attack and you dash cancel forward, you’re at even frames.

Al_Mantis · December 14, 2011, 11:29am

ty

what about the roll if the opponent blocking and i FADC DASH TOWARD HIM ? is there any advantage ?

ByR · December 14, 2011, 11:43am

EX oga have new crossup setups, i tried a bit:

VS shotos, midscreen (tested on ryu & akuma):

BnB(ended in lk gekiro, full), far Ex oga = crossup
Sweep at medium or medium/close distance, far Ex oga = crossup (vs claw works too)
After sweep+oga cross you can do it again.

Im sure that the setups for all characters are much more easier with EX oga, i need to test more.