if i dont progress significantly, should I go back to pad?
i think youre thinking about using the arcade stick too much and trying to be so technical with “wineglass style” or whatever the heck.
just play as its natural and keep playing on the arcade stick.
some players just take longer then others to adapt to the stick.
i never used an arcade stick until SF4 was released and i played one week or two with it still feeling awkward to use.
didnt read the rest of the thread, but it seems as if u are thinking way too much about HOW to use it and not just playing on it.
its like baseball’s old adage “try easier” aka just play and stop thinking so much.
You have to leave the pad for now. Don’t ever go back to it. I played a player match with some guy today and we played maybe 25 matches. On pad I know I could have beaten this guy most of the time at least, but I only won some when he switched to his secondary players. I wanted to switch to the pad just for a couple games to beat him, but I know it won’t be good for me. It’s frustrating, but it’s worth it. I’ve had it for like 4 days now and it’s all starting to come together. I just figured out how to dash easily like an hour ago for the fadc ultra. Basically I just only push from one side and let it come back by itself. I also hold the joystick like Daigo does. I find it to be the best way. It feels the most natural. I’m still not as good as I used to be. I get beat now by 2000-2500 level players when that would never happen before, but the improvement is steady and I know I will end up being much better in the end. Plus my thumb doesn’t hurt anymore from mashing dp’s.
i have it for 2 weeks now and i didnt progress significantly. thats why im worrying and thinking of going back to pad. I also often switched between pad and stick which is not the best idea no?
Wow, that sucks that so many people are having problems learning to fight with the stick! I’ve had my TE stick for about a month and never want to look at a pad again. Of course, I learned SF2 in the arcades, so the stick is second nature to me.
I wonder about this dead zone folks are talking about. Sure, you have bigger movements with the stick compared to a pad, but the dead zone isn’t that terrible. Practice makes perfect! Also, if any of you want to sell your 360 TE stick, let me know… 
lol yeah I also thought that. why make the stick to a pad? 
on capcom-unity they say that if you dont make the transition within a month, you should go back to pad, what do you think about this? 
You need to be grilling yourself in practice mode. WHen you’re learning stick, put away the pad permanently. You’re learning a whole new method of play, you need to abandon all other preconceptions for now.
DON’T GET FRUSTRATED. This is the biggest point. Demand a lot from yourself, but if you’re getting angry your execution will get significantly poorer. You need to reteach your brain muscle memory and that takes time. I’ve been at it for 2 weeks and I’m seeing huge improvements. Hold it the way thats MOST comfortable for you.
Go to practice and start practicing. Over and over again. WIth your eyes closed. You’ll hear the right attack via sound. Close your eyes and do it over and over again, get your muscle memory used to it.
thats the point. you see huge improvements, I don’t. but thanks for the advice anyway!
Same here, I never went back to the pad after SF4 release, though I played SST2HDR with pad. And I’ll stick to my stick, for sure, it’s just way cooler.
I have no problems doing any moves, besides consistent dash. Well, I can do it 100% if I concentrate in practice, but in the heat of battle now and then when trying to DC my FA or some, it won’t come out and I’m stuck, just sucking punishment.
It is infact the deadzone that’s the “problem”.
So I either have to play even more months to get it right even in a match, or minimize the deadzone and improve my dash instant.
Also, none of my friends can dash consistent, cuz they don’t have a stick themselves, but they like to try it out when visiting. Switch to pad, and they dash all day long.
I started holding my stick “like” Daigo, seemed natural, then I saw the wineglass method, tried it and it didn’t work out for me. But then tried combining the two, and that is the best for me. I just flip my ring- and pinky on the other side of the stick, like the wineglass, but still upright so I’m holding the battop with my 3 other fingers (hopefully 3). That way my ring- and pinky supports my thumb, and it helped me to minimize movement even more, to avoid deadzone-land.
can you send a photo please?
Will do when I get a new camera sometime next week
so anyone here who sucks that wants to do some sparring?
Unfortunately my xbox red ringed and it will be back friday. but i just finished my stick and im looking to practice with it. hit me up on GGPO for SF3:3S. I’m kinda scrubby at it, but all im worried about is getting off my moves when i want.
my username is tr3Ks
I got my SE today and yeah… played 2 hours but good I suck now
Not like I was any good with pad but at least I could do moves and basic combos, now I’m failing to do c.mk xx hadu about 80% of the time 
Never player on a stick ever before, so I hope it will come sometimes…
Also I don’t know where to put my fingers on the buttons or stick yet, I constantly switch from whineglass to daigo style oder something completely different. :looney:
Still I’m having more fun than with pad somehow :lovin:
It took me** a few months** to get to back to my level with a stick. Just keep working on it.
Hey Guys, over the last three days i have stopped myself going online and i have been training on my TE stick for a number of hours and finally i feel as if i am getting somewhere :lovin:
Nowhere close to how comfortable i am on a pad though, but progress nevertheless.
I have been holding the ball Daigo style and i can dash better than i have been, and i have also found that displaying the inputs helps to highlight why a certain move wasnt executed.
Thanks for all the tips guys i feel like im getting somewhere now :wgrin:
Getting my stick today… boy, i’m so gonna be sucky sucky
I see a lot of people here saying practice, practice, practice, but I dont see any advice on how to practice, which is very important. I play the violin, and Ive learned some things from my music teachers that will almost certainly help people trying to learn stick.
One of my teachers maintained that the statement practice makes perfect is wrong and that the correct statement is practice makes permanent. It is very important to practice correctly, or youll ingrain bad habits into muscle memory. Once you have those bad habits, not only do you still have to learn how to do what you want correctly, but you also have to unlearn those bad habits. So, how do you practice correctly?
The most important thing is accuracy. When musicians have to learn a fast section of music, the first thing we do is slow down. We make sure that we hit every note accurately, then we gradually speed up the passage until were going at the speed we need to be. You can do the same thing in fighting games. If youre trying to learn a fireball, start by slowly hitting down, then down-forward, then forward, then punch. The fireball wont come out, but thats not the important part yet. You should have the games input display on if it has one, so you can check to see if you hit every direction accurately. Do it accurately several times then slowly pick up the speed until the fireball comes out. In this fashion, you teach your hand accurate movements, and you practice them accurately, so your muscle memory now contains accurate motions. You can do this with pretty much every motion, including dashes. Once you have the basic motions down, a lot of the combos should come much easier.
On another note, Im not convinced that its even beneficial to spend hours per day on this. I made the transition from pad to stick in a couple of weeks, and I never really spent more than about 15 minutes a day on it. Granted, I made it a point to practice every day, but I went in with specific things to work on in mind. Dont try to learn everything all at once. If youre sitting down with a stick for the first time, you should just take some time to hit buttons to get a feel for where they are, and move around the stick to get a feel for how far you need to move it to get a response. Then start to work on special moves, in the fashion Ive outlined. Once you have all of the basic commands down, then work on the combinations like FADC. You can even break down combos. Instead of trying to do Shoryuken FADC Ultra, just do Shoryuken FA. Once you have that, add the dash cancel in. Finally, add the Ultra at the end. If you have trouble with the dash cancel, you can take the Shoryuken out of the picture and just try FADC. Then add the rest back in once you have that. Isolate the part that you have trouble with and work on that specifically.
One last thing Id like to mention. I mentioned that practice makes permanent. With that in mind, when youre playing matches, if you cant do something in training mode, its probably not a good idea to be attempting it in matches. Remember that even matches will be considered practice by your hands, so if youre learning bad habits in matches, itll make it harder to learn it the correct way. It may be frustrating at first, but you only need to learn how to do the motions once, and then you have them for all the fighting games that you may play. Make sure you learn things correctly the first time: itll save you trouble later.
pfffft, you transitioned from pad to stick in a couple of weeks with only 15 minutes a day, with no previous stick experience? fuckin lies. lol. transitioned enough for what? to do c.mk, hadouken? i fail to believe you have excellent or advanced execution with such little practice.
secret to mastering stick is buffering your shit. well, there are other things too, but aint nobody hitting c.mk, hadouken, super by just mashing out qcfx2 as quick as possible. lol. all that shit is almost like one fucking motion really.
you need hours of practice. practice is pretty self explanatory. after you get your shit down on the dummy in training, then practice on the computer, and once your comfortable doing it in a match vs cpu, you should be okay against a human, and your just working out nerves from that point forward.
master buffering your shit, and the rest is cake. most new stick users are just gonna choke up with nerves, which is gonna affect their execution.
This has probably been said, but at first you will be terrible on a stick. Especially those who’ve never even used one. You’ve been using a pad for awhile, and you’ll be more comfortable with it. But as you get used to a stick, you will never want to go back to the pad.
Playing on a stick will make you a better player in the long run. Just stick with it, no pun intended.