DC still bad?
Sounds good/
Robin, cause birds of a feather flock to gay
I shouldn’t have laughed at this so hard but God help me, I did
Whatever happened to superhero comics? Did good guys vs bad guys get old? Ever since I heard this announcement I was utterly baffled that THIS would be the focus of attention. Imagine if the people making Scrooge McDuck comics were like “Fellas, these comics have been getting soft. DC is bringing an iconic character out of the closet, and so should we! Jenkins, I need you to dictate this for me. Tell the press that Gizmo-duck is officially fabulous! Sales are sure to skyrocket, no way this could backfire!”
I’m still hunting on that elusive ass erotic comic book of Harley eating Ivys mint flavored bush .
You know, I was in a pretty pissy mood today, but this put a smile on my face. Thanks, guy.
I don’t like how DC’s jumping on Marvel’s bandwagon. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Marvel was recently the first to include being gay in their comics. It’s their thing to keep up to date with politics and things like that in their comics. I’m not sure if DC does this too, but I think they’re copying off of Marvel which, to me, isn’t very respectable especially coming from such a big icon like DC.
DC itself is not an icon. It’s just a company. A big company, but still just a company.
And the people currently in charge of that company don’t have any ideas, which is why they need to pull stunts like this.
(Oh gods, I’ve actually seen this reported on the local news twice already. Not sure why I’m surprised.)
What’s with all the Aquaman “hate” again? I thought the JLU cartoon undid most, if not all, of Superfriend’s damage.
Regardless, I’m still unsure what amuses me more: that the poll included Superman and Batman as legitimate options despite the fact it would be fiscal suicide for DC or that everyone seems to agree that Tim Drake would have been a better and more likely character to “out”.
Jumping on Marvel’s bandwagon? Uh…according to this easily accessible and looked up Wikipedia article, if we’re going by characters that were officially “out” as gay, then DC actually beats out Marvel outing Northstar as the “first” gay comic book by five years. It’s just that most people don’t know or remember who the fuck Extrano is–that and Northstar is a lot less stereotypical (when Chuck Austen isn’t writing him) and generally well-known, especially since he and Aurora appeared in at least an episode or two of the X-Men cartoon.
Even before that, there were characters who were “obviously” meant to be gay or in a gay relationship even if that they couldn’t be outed, like Mystique & Destiny’s relationship as Rogue’s two mothers and some more esoteric older characters who were stereotypically effeminate.
This is less about DC “jumping on Marvel’s bandwagon” than just being less tasteful and dumber about it while being desperate for attention, again. It doesn’t help that Marvel’s universe is arguably the easier one in which to write about non-heterosexual characters given the focus on public reaction, backlash and general interaction there versus DC heroes mostly being worshiped like gods–something that was brought up in JLA vs. Avengers I’ve heard–well liked. Also helps that Marvel seems like it tends to have a younger audience and to produce more youth-targeting books than DC, whose only “teen” book that comes to mind at all is Teen Titans compared to Runaways, Young Avengers and, arguably, (New) X-Men (before the mass-depowering) among others.
However, this isn’t to say that Marvel has a flawless or even great track record about it either–looks at Rawhide Kid MAX–or that DC can do only do wrong–I’ve heard that Batwoman is really well-done.
Hell, it’s not even really about trying to be inclusive because it’s the “right” thing to do. It’s just being done as a “controversial” move to attempt to stir up attention, faux hype and new readers. As always, it succeeds in being the attention-whore it is, but will likely fail at bringing in that many new readers who stick around, even ones who are gay themselves.
Fixed. Hence why see both stunts like this and, on DC’s end, constant “reboots” that are supposed to make the universe more accessible yet always do the opposite; Marvel’s constant “event” books are arguably the same thing, just not as naive.
Stay free, DC (and Marvel).
That works, too, but I really do mean that they have no ideas.
lol you guys all got trolled
i bet at the end of the comic rick astley will start doing his thing
Son, you should know Aquaman hate is eternal. No matter what good characterization he gets from the likes of Peter David, the late Dwayne McDuffie or Geoff Johns to try to restore him, all you need to do is mention an episode of Superfriends or a old school DC cover likethis or this.
Until he headlines a popular movie or tv series that doesn’t suck. This hate shall live on, like the belief that Peppermint Patty from Peanuts comic strip is gay with her best friend Marcie, despite evidence in the original work that indicates otherwise.
Meanwhile on Alan Scott, DC pulled a fast one, I was expecting a legacy hero to be reveal gay like the Asian Atom, not one of the predecessors.
My buddy got me a pint glass with Aquaman on it. This one to be exact.
Fuck what you heard, Aquaman is awesome.
I dunno, he still looks like Namor would make him his personal bitch. I’m talking Aquaman on his knees with a leash and collar going “Yes master, you are the true king of the sea” and Namor going. “You annoy me” then selling him to black manta and donating the $20 to a random bum on the street.
Just my perspective.
You sir are a pervert, Black Manta has autism and was raped as a child
How does that make you a pervert? I don’t know, but you are.
No but seriously, it’s fucked up.
“As a boy, he would enjoy playing by the sea until he was kidnapped and both tormented and sexually abused by his kidnappers after taking the boy and keeping him on their ship. At one moment, David would notice Aquaman and he would try to gain his attention, which David’s attempt found itself unsuccessful. With no hopes for rescue, David found himself killing his attackers with a knife and also developing an intense hatred that was strongly focused on Aquaman. From there on David wanted nothing more than to simply rule the sea and become it’s master. Second origin of Black Manta would strongly focus on another tragic past of David being autistic and becoming an inmate of Arkham Asylum because of his abnormal condition. Showing intense pain from laying on bedspreads and sheets, David would spend a painful and torturing past being strapped to his bed every night. This abnormal expression from David would take a much more abnormal approach when David would be seen finding comfort within the freezing cold waters. Growing up with a fascination of Aquaman, David would grow up going through numerous experimentations that eventually altered his autism, but left with devastating results as David was now more violent and dangerous. With this mindset, David set out to do what he felt was his true destiny, which was rule the seas and to kill off it’s king Aquaman.”
(Aquaman on a leash? Let’s not give fanfic writers more horrible ideas please.)
For all my kvetching, I’ll readily admit that this might turn out to be “good” and well-done. Too bad by getting rid of Obsidian (and Jade), they’ll be struggling just to break even if it is.
Also, after seeing him on the news again, I suddenly have an urge to go to Isotope…
Hey now. Bad ideas are still ideas.
So Rick Astley will…be Alan Scott’s boyfriend?
I guess Aquaman is well and truly fucked, then, since Wonder Woman projects that don’t include Linda Carter can’t even get off the ground and even Superman struggles at the (“live action”) box office. Batman is the only DC superhero that tends to do well due to being “relatable”–gods I wished the rolling eyes smilie still worked–and only human. Let’s even get started about lesser “heroes” and their movies like Green Lantern or Jonah Hex; I still don’t even understand why or how Hex, of all people, got a fucking movie.
The only other exception that I could maybe think is, what, Constantine? Did that even do well? Was it even good? Regardless, even if it did, I’m pretty sure most people who don’t read comics even know he’s associated with DC unless there was like a huge DC logo at the beginning of that film.
Oh, great. Now I can’t help picture that scene where Janet is seemingly in bed alone only for Hank to reveal that he was “doing things” microscopically, only with you know, a guy instead a now-exploded Wasp.
Thanks.
Haha, I never said I wasn’t. I’m a Marvel fan but I do like some DC. However, I Loathe Superman and Aquaman, they’ve always just seemed bland and pointless to me.
The writer said he will find a way to put Obsidian and Jade back into the comic world he just hasn’t figured out how he wants to do it.
Personally I say make them Scott’s Niece and Nephew that way they can still be related, Obsidian can still be gay, and you don’t have to worry about some shithead writer making Obsidian and Alan Scott hook up because they’ll still be related.
Sounds like a good answer to all these problem to me. Also if they actually make Alan Scott an important character in the DC verse for many years to come I’m all for this.
Also for the record they are many many iconic DC characters. Catwoman, Lex Luthor, Flash, Joker, Wonder Woman, Two-Face, are all iconic characters known all around the world and by people who have never read a comic in their lives.
I don’t know where some of you get your definition of iconic from but there are actually more characters I could name that are iconic too from DC.
By that crazy logic only Hulk,Wolverine, and Spiderman for Marvel are iconic when really we know there are many more than that .
Tch. SO appropriate that he’s on a glass…cuz nearly everybody here would tell his ass to hold their drink while they went to talk to other, far more interesting heroes.