A little perspective:
People outside of comics don’t know who the fuck Green Lantern is, except maybe that Ryan Reynolds movie that everybody saw ads for and didn’t go to see.
Wonder Woman… maybe. Purely on the strength of the Linda Carter interpretation, maybe.
Retcons are awesome.
wtf alan scott?
I want to be outraged but instead i feel nothing
It makes no sense
So Jade no longer exists in the DC universe?
Haha, this is the fucking stupidest thing.
I thought the whole build up to this was a little exploitative and scummy, and it turns out it’s even worse. Teasing people that an “iconic” character is going to be gay…and then it’s Alan Scott…? How the fuck is Alan Scott “iconic?”
He’s like…the fourth most well known Green Lantern, and Green Lantern is like the fifth most popular book in the universe…how do you promote such vague nonsense and allow people to openly speculate and build the rumour up to almost an expectation that like BATMAN was going to be gay, and then give them Alan Scott instead?
That is some terrible, terrible hype management. Can you imagine if DC had a press release that was like “The next superhero movie we’re going to make is going to be an ICONIC character!” And then for weeks, don’t do anything to spell speculation about like a Wonder Woman movie or a Captain Marvel movie or a Justice League movie or whatever…and in the end it’s “TODAY WE ANNOUNCE THE ELONGATED MAN MOVIE”
Plus, Alan Scott’s not even in normal DC continuity, which is an even further cop out. So it’s not even that they didn’t actually want one of their regular guys being gay, they didn’t even want a guy in the general universe to be gay, they settled for like a fucking Earth 2 character that no one even knows about.
That is something that confuses me as well, because I thought the whole point of this stupid reboot was to avoid more Earth multiples and stop with the confusing continuity juggling.
The comics branch of DC is wow, amazingly fucking stupid.
Also, I watched Justice League Doom last night, and man, that was pretty decent.
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Wait, wasn’t Obsidian, Alan Scott’s son, already an openly gay superhero?
So by reconning Alan Scott as a younger, childless man and erasing Jade and Obsidian from continuity…their net total of gay characters is still the same.
They can’t add a new gay superhero without killing one off first.
Thats…Fucking awful.
I really liked Obsidian and his boyfriend’s story, it was well done.
Is erasing a character from existence the same as killing that character off?
This is not an argument for or against what DC is doing, so much as a purely philosophical question.
Actually reconning a character out of existence is probably worse than killing them, since comic book deaths are remarkably easy to overcome.
This is a fate worse than death.
This makes me look at the Green Lantern in a whole new light.
rimshot
Somewhere in the Oververse, Grant Morrison is writing this conversation.
but you should also consider that they could just as easily retcon their non existence, although still i like the odds of a good old fashion resurrection better than that.
Smells like Ultimate Spider-Man.
Alan Scott and The Flash probably have my favorite costumes in all of the DC universe.
Perhaps I should re-evaluate my orientation.
Now let the crude internet mock drawings begin. I suggest the following:
Earth 2 Dicks
A picture of Alan Scott forming a giant green cock
Written By: Dan Dildo.
Make it happen internet.
When did established and forgotten become the same word? There were so many better choices that would have at least made sense.
Who the hell is Allan Scott?
Yes, I’m trolling, yet this will be the most common reaction from people who don’t read comics but know the big names.
(Bullshit like this is exactly why I haven’t bothered with American comics in half a decade; I should maybe try to get back into Invincible, though. How the fuck do you have such a transparent hype machine and fail to deliver on it so horribly? Seriously, how do these people fuck up this poorly without it being intentional? I’d really like to know.)
Carpet Lint basically said most of what needed to be said already, but I can’t get over how dumb this is.
Alan Scott? An Alan Scott who is younger now too? When he already had a gay son who had above average characterization, especially for a gay character, and a daughter who also had above average characterization for a non-front-runner female? Who apparently no longer exist?
I…why would you…who thought…did anyone think? I get that comics is an increasingly insular field that is basically run by the people who read it as kids and thus are pandering back to the youth days–see Geoff Johns–when it comes to recent developments, but I didn’t think they were this out of touch and I thought that I already had extremely low expectations for humanity. It’s “nice” to be corrected on both points.
Seriously, though, there were at least half a dozen semi-well-known characters they could have used instead that people who don’t read comics have actually heard of, even if they were completely token efforts (like most of this effort). Tim Drake, Captain Marvel and even fucking Cyborg would have been better heroic choices; I honestly thought it would be Cyborg given the lazy-ass love of “Twofer Token Minorities” and how much I’ve heard they’ve been trying to push him.
Hell, even a villain would have been nice given the only gay villain that exists in DC is, what, The Brain? Who manages to also bring bestiality into the mix, which reflects well on non-heterosexuality. [/sarcasm]
Lex Luthor probably would have been the best choice there. Him or Ra’s given what a bastard he is to his own children in most instances.
Even before the reveal above, it’s rather obvious that the big-two comic companies and many of its writers, as with most of entertainment still, don’t actually know the difference between such things. Hell, they probably don’t even realize there is a difference, as with most minority characters.
…What.
This would be one of the few instances were something as idiotic as “turning gay” would actually make sense.
The Source knows that the DCU is running out of fridge space, especially if we’re counting more intangible aspects of female characters’, like their characterizations.
R.I.P. More-than-just-a-nympho Starfire and not-evil Cassandra Cain.
Because then they’d all be forced to be situationally homosexual or chronic masturbaters, which are obviously both equally terrible options. Obviously you need at least some characters to be heterosexual white middle-class females who are demure, don’t have any actual character and say just enough to prove they actually have a vagina/aren’t a man in drag without being uppity communists while otherwise just standing around and looking attractive.
My gods, think, goody.
This would probably be the best way to do it…which is why they probably are going to do the exact opposite.
I almost want to make a bet that this aspect of his character either gets a) forgotten quickly or b)becomes stereotypical even more quickly.
And now to prove I know way too much about fictional, comic book characters’ sexualities, even if quite a bit of it is due to TVTropes. I’m going off the stuff from before DC’s bullshit reboot here, though; not touching Constantine thing since I’m pretty sure Rock meant he was bisexual than outright gay.
Daken’s slept with both sexes, but supposedly he’s actually asexual and only uses sex as a tool to manipulate people. It makes sense in a way, especially with his fucked up mindset and pheromone powers and how people (read: mostly women) already use sex to manipulate other people in real life.
Nah, pre-reboot Poison Ivy was definitely bisexual. I’m pretty sure she was genuinely attracted to at least Harvey Dent–“We used to date”–and I think Batman himself on the male side, at least at one point before her “homicidal for the evulz” or more “mystical” bullshit phases. On the female side, she was definitely, mutually attracted to Harley to the point where their relationship was a lot more healthy and stable, super-villainy aside, than Harley’s “romance” with the Joker.
Hell, Harley and Ivy arguably have the first canonical homosexual relationship in cartoons that got past the radar. Notice how there’s only one bed:
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Yeah, that by itself may not be much, but given how Poison Ivy is basically the only villain in B:TAS to go out of the way piss off The Joker and how Harley doesn’t exactly (immediately) run back to Joker when she’s with Ivy like in pretty much every other instance that Harley is separated from him…yeah. The supplementary comics basically confirmed their relationship a while ago.
Joker’s already officially gay. For Batman. In a sort of rape-y, necrophiliac way, but still, he shows more attraction to that than to Harley.
Hell, Lex Luthor is arguably already officially gay too. He’s never really ever had any genuine female love interests post-Crisis that I’m aware of and he has a fucking son with Superman.
I got that vibe from one of the Frank Miller books where Batman is old. I forget the title right now but I have it upstairs. It was excellent
