Dark Souls 3: Prepare to Die Once More

[crotchpuncha]

Strawmen should be attacked. Good on him then, strawmen are garbage positions.

You are the one decided to bring up his Avatar which has jack and fuck to do with the convo or the thread. YOU brought up something completely outside the scope of the discussion, YOU invited someone to attack you baseleasly because you did it first.

I know exactly what the fuck I am talking about.

Lol you still don’t know what you’re on about. Anway I’m done trying; I’m really heartbroken you didn’t like my posts though

Dude i know what im on about You guys where discussing PVP, someone disagreed with you in a way you didnt like, you used their avatar as a means of trying to discredit them and you where called on your bullshit. Now your trying to hide behind claims of the other person strawmanning as if that some how changes the fact you used an avatar as a shaming tactic, when the strawman was still about the conversation even if it was or wasnt a strawman.

You cant say “why would i listen to someone with blah blah avatar” then tuen around a cry because thwy disregard you on join date, theu are both bitch moves, but you opened the fucking door.

Wrong, someone made up a position for me

Someone else made you post about his Avatar? Are you being held at gunpoint?

[MARTIAN]

Yeah, I’m still waiting to hear exactly what “position” he was forced into lol…

[drunkards_walk]

I REALLY didn’t think this discussion had to go on this long.

I’m not really sure where I “put words in your mouth”, but I’m genuinely curious as to where you think I did that and I’ll try to be as elaborative as possible if you point it out.

Again, this shit went off the rails when you brought up something that had absolutely no place in the topic at hand. I gave you a serious response on why I thought your stance on Invasions was dumb. I used facts, established norms and clear concise wording with my post and all I got back was a Disagree and an irrelevant, poorly thought out “comeback” about my avatar. (Forreal though, are we in High School again with that shit?)

Say what you will about my diction, but don’t sit there and act like a victim. You’re over here here acting like we should stay on topic when you’re the first one to jump out of his seat and go "Oh yeah?! Well I know you are but what am I?!!1!!!1!!11!!! Shit is so dumb.

I’m willing to have this conversation if it’s going to be a real back and forth of various points and thoughts, but not if you can’t get through it without trying (and failing) to arbitrarily swing at me about random bullshit.

You’re entire point was that I was complaining about how invasions weren’t easy enough, which wasn’t my position at all, and you’re argument for why it should remain the way it is was because it was that way in DkS2. I’m not sure how “it’s been that way for a while and people still get kills” is a valid argument, or even how it is really relevant to the topic. Anyyway, I have a student now, so to be continued…

[crotchpuncha]

Problem is he seems to think i give a shit about his position when i dont. I don’t PVP so I dont fucking care. I am only adressing the stupidity and retardation that was “Oh he has a deadmouse av i dont need to listen to him” and then turning around and crying when someone does the same to him over his join date. I dont fucking care about anything before that because everything before that was on topic, strawman or not. He can say i dunno what im on about all he wants, it doesnt change anything.

[MARTIAN]

You’re entire point was that I was complaining about how invasions weren’t easy enough

That was not my entire point. If you’d actually like to read and hear my entire point this time though, I’d be more than willing to elaborate further.

If it’s just gonna devolve into what this has become again though, then count me out. shrug

[drunkards_walk]

Problem is he seems to think i give a shit about his position when i dont. I don’t PVP so I dont fucking care. I am only adressing the stupidity and retardation that was “Oh he has a deadmouse av i dont need to listen to him” and then turning around and crying when someone does the same to him over his join date. I dont fucking care about anything before that because everything before that was on topic, strawman or not. He can say i dunno what im on about all he wants, it doesnt change anything.

I’m sorry, but do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you make the statement “everything was on topic, strawman or not” lol

[drunkards_walk]

You’re entire point was that I was complaining about how invasions weren’t easy enough

That was not my entire point. If you’d actually like to read and hear my entire point this time though, I’d be more than willing to elaborate further.

If it’s just gonna devolve into what this has become again though, then count me out. shrug

Go ahead and elaborate if it pleases you. I’m always down for a good discussion; I’ll read it and formulate a response

[crotchpuncha]

Problem is he seems to think i give a shit about his position when i dont. I don’t PVP so I dont fucking care. I am only adressing the stupidity and retardation that was “Oh he has a deadmouse av i dont need to listen to him” and then turning around and crying when someone does the same to him over his join date. I dont fucking care about anything before that because everything before that was on topic, strawman or not. He can say i dunno what im on about all he wants, it doesnt change anything.

I’m sorry, but do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you make the statement “everything was on topic, strawman or not” lol

Well lets see, his supposed strawman had to do with Dark Souls PVP, and this is a Dark Souls thread so…yea still on topic despite being a supposed Strawman.

Bringing up someones Deadmouse Avatar as a shaming tactic to disregard them off hand. Deadmouse not about Dark Souls or PVP, seems pretty off topic.

Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you use 3rd grader tactics like bagging on someones AV as way to invalidate them? Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you cant even grasp that a strawman about the topic is still on topic because its about the topic even if it is a strawman? Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you resort to ad hominims instead of breaking down the strawman?

Now i am done, just go back to discussing PVP and knock it off with the crappy name calling and AV bullshit, of you gonna name call it better be funny, thats the basic SRK rules. You can get away with anything so long as its funny.

[NAP]

http://youtu.be/MPqj6WaTFOE

[drunkards_walk]

Problem is he seems to think i give a shit about his position when i dont. I don’t PVP so I dont fucking care. I am only adressing the stupidity and retardation that was “Oh he has a deadmouse av i dont need to listen to him” and then turning around and crying when someone does the same to him over his join date. I dont fucking care about anything before that because everything before that was on topic, strawman or not. He can say i dunno what im on about all he wants, it doesnt change anything.

I’m sorry, but do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you make the statement “everything was on topic, strawman or not” lol

Well lets see, his supposed strawman had to do with Dark Souls PVP, and this is a Dark Souls thread so…yea still on topic despite being a supposed Strawman.

Bringing up someones Deadmouse Avatar as a shaming tactic to disregard them off hand. Deadmouse not about Dark Souls or PVP, seems pretty off topic.

Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you use 3rd grader tactics like bagging on someones AV as way to invalidate them? Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you cant even grasp that a strawman about the topic is still on topic because its about the topic even if it is a strawman? Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you resort to ad hominims instead of breaking down the strawman?

Now i am done, just go back to discussing PVP and knock it off with the crappy name calling and AV bullshit, of you gonna name call it better be funny, thats the basic SRK rules. You can get away with anything so long as its funny.

You still havent a clue what you are talking about; I doubt you even read all the replies. I do like that “the srawman is about the topic is on topic even if the topic is a srrawman” bit. It is like an Abbott and Costello routine. But i do not care about that anymore, what strikes me is how mad you are. Lol dude you’re really mad. You said you don’t listen to deadmouse, but I don’t buy it. You’re a big fan and you’re salty I hated on him, right? Are you typing that comment while wearing one of those ridiculous mouse head costumes?

[crotchpuncha]

Whatever helps you sleep at night. You seem to know more about that band then me, but whatever.

[drunkards_walk]

I kind of want to get some opinions on how a certain covenant in the game works. I personally think it will be a completely useless covenant, but maybe I’m wrong. So basically, this covenant functions identically to the one from DkS2 where your job was to help the host kill invaders (however, as far as i can tell, you cant also do random invasions as a blue spirit). I was a member of said covenant for a while and I only recall getting 2 of those invasions (and I’m ashamed to admit that I actually played that game for a good amount of time). It feels to me like the same thing is going to happen in DkS3, which means getting the covenant items may be very hard or impossible. The even more disappointing thing is that the covenant I speak of was one of my favorites from DkS, and they function infinitely better in that game.

[Gasaraki]

Problem is he seems to think i give a shit about his position when i dont. I don’t PVP so I dont fucking care. I am only adressing the stupidity and retardation that was “Oh he has a deadmouse av i dont need to listen to him” and then turning around and crying when someone does the same to him over his join date. I dont fucking care about anything before that because everything before that was on topic, strawman or not. He can say i dunno what im on about all he wants, it doesnt change anything.

I’m sorry, but do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you make the statement “everything was on topic, strawman or not” lol

Well lets see, his supposed strawman had to do with Dark Souls PVP, and this is a Dark Souls thread so…yea still on topic despite being a supposed Strawman.

Bringing up someones Deadmouse Avatar as a shaming tactic to disregard them off hand. Deadmouse not about Dark Souls or PVP, seems pretty off topic.

Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you use 3rd grader tactics like bagging on someones AV as way to invalidate them? Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you cant even grasp that a strawman about the topic is still on topic because its about the topic even if it is a strawman? Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you resort to ad hominims instead of breaking down the strawman?

Now i am done, just go back to discussing PVP and knock it off with the crappy name calling and AV bullshit, of you gonna name call it better be funny, thats the basic SRK rules. You can get away with anything so long as its funny.

You still havent a clue what you are talking about; I doubt you even read all the replies. I do like that “the srawman is about the topic is on topic even if the topic is a srrawman” bit. It is like an Abbott and Costello routine. But i do not care about that anymore, what strikes me is how mad you are. Lol dude you’re really mad. You said you don’t listen to deadmouse, but I don’t buy it. You’re a big fan and you’re salty I hated on him, right? Are you typing that comment while wearing one of those ridiculous mouse head costumes?

Wtf dude, you’re getting way too emotional, take a break, play the game, go get some food, take a nap, something productive.

[drunkards_walk]

Problem is he seems to think i give a shit about his position when i dont. I don’t PVP so I dont fucking care. I am only adressing the stupidity and retardation that was “Oh he has a deadmouse av i dont need to listen to him” and then turning around and crying when someone does the same to him over his join date. I dont fucking care about anything before that because everything before that was on topic, strawman or not. He can say i dunno what im on about all he wants, it doesnt change anything.

I’m sorry, but do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you make the statement “everything was on topic, strawman or not” lol

Well lets see, his supposed strawman had to do with Dark Souls PVP, and this is a Dark Souls thread so…yea still on topic despite being a supposed Strawman.

Bringing up someones Deadmouse Avatar as a shaming tactic to disregard them off hand. Deadmouse not about Dark Souls or PVP, seems pretty off topic.

Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you use 3rd grader tactics like bagging on someones AV as way to invalidate them? Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you cant even grasp that a strawman about the topic is still on topic because its about the topic even if it is a strawman? Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound when you resort to ad hominims instead of breaking down the strawman?

Now i am done, just go back to discussing PVP and knock it off with the crappy name calling and AV bullshit, of you gonna name call it better be funny, thats the basic SRK rules. You can get away with anything so long as its funny.

You still havent a clue what you are talking about; I doubt you even read all the replies. I do like that “the srawman is about the topic is on topic even if the topic is a srrawman” bit. It is like an Abbott and Costello routine. But i do not care about that anymore, what strikes me is how mad you are. Lol dude you’re really mad. You said you don’t listen to deadmouse, but I don’t buy it. You’re a big fan and you’re salty I hated on him, right? Are you typing that comment while wearing one of those ridiculous mouse head costumes?

Wtf dude, you’re getting way too emotional, take a break, play the game, go get some food, take a nap, something productive.

How was that comment even remotely emotional? It was made up almost entirely of jokes. Also I’m at work so posting on SRK is one of the best ways to kill time

[Chiro]

I was complaining about buffs in PvP, in DUELS. In invasions I’m find with anything goes, traps, tricks, potshots, trolling, spamming, acid, whatever. Because it’s an invasion. And my complaints in PvP are mostly just about how much time it takes, and how ridiculously strong it was in DkS2.

You yourself just said “It’s just stupid and unfair” when they have more heals left than you but that’s because they still have the entire freaking level to get through. You only have one target, the host has a whole ton of things to get through. Traps, enemies, situations, enemy players, and the boss. Like, it’s plenty fair because you’re INVADING someone in their world who is playing their game.

You are not their only threat, and you aren’t even the main one, nor does From seem to want you to be. This is why I’m saying they just want invasions to be an aspect of the single player experience, not something that gives invaders a way to get fair kills and rank ups

The solution is obvious: don’t go through the level in human form. DkS struck a perfect balance: while human you can summon someone to help get you through the level, but it also means you have invaders to worry about. Now invaders are just a minor annoyance, they’ve completely ruined the experience because invaders aren’t much of a threat. I just don’t understand why, after working so well in DkS, they would even make any changes to covenants/invasions/PVP. I will say, invasions aren’t as much of a joke as they were in DkS2, but it is still bad. I doubt I’ll be putting much time into this game as it stands right now, only one covenant seems like it will be worthwhile. Also, I’m a little ticked they didn’t bring back something similar to Gravelords, that covenant was godlike

it wasn’t really obvious though as the game made no mention of how Humanity worked originally and most peoples first experience with invasions was through twinking which went completely unchecked in the first one.

It’s just like anything else in a Souls game, you find out through experience. As for twinking, I don’t really see what the big deal is? I had a few twink builds in DkS, and just as often as I would massacre new players in the Parish and the Depths I would help them roll through those bosses just as easily. So it works both ways

no you learned via glowing glypths on the ground in the very first area yet for some reason they thought to leave out one of the most important core mechanics in the game.

Solaire let’s you know that you can summon him very early in the game

as a co-op mechanic and he does’t even mention humanity let alone invasions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra5FFVSNOrA

the soapstone he gives you doesn’t even explain it

*Online play item.
Leave summon sign.

Be summoned to another world as a phantom
through your sign, and defeat the area boss
to acquire humanity.
(Hollows cannot conduct summons)

In Lordran, the flow of time is distorted,
and the White Sign Soapstone allows
Undead to assist one another.*

even the Humanty item itself doesnt explain what the hell humanity is.
*Rare tiny black sprite found on corpses.
Use to gain 1 humanity and restore a
large amount of HP.

This black sprite is called humanity, but
little is known about its true nature.
If the soul is the source of all life,
then what distinguishes the humanity
we hold within ourselves?*

Sorry ahead of time for the triple posts, I’m on my phone so I’m not trying to mess with multiple quotes. Anway, I don’t really see this as a big issue. I agree that the way humanity worked was pretty opaque, but it was nothing that couldn’t be figured out in the first hour of playing the game. With any Souls game you aren’t really spoonfed information, and humanity is no different. Invasions fall into a similar category, it’s something you learn through experience. The first time I got invaded it was pretty terrifying, and to be honest I thought it was really dumb + annoying, but after a few PVP matches I really learned to love it and a whole new aspect of the game opened up to me. I’m sure many people have a similar experience.

ok im getting kind of annoyed by this “spoonfed” line because its not what yall seem to think it means. Dark Souls didn’t explain the STORY elements, it had a clear tutorial on just about all the mechanics though. this point of pride has turned into pretentiousness for a feat it never accomplished in the first place. it is no Jump and Shoot Man and never was

[drunkards_walk]

I was complaining about buffs in PvP, in DUELS. In invasions I’m find with anything goes, traps, tricks, potshots, trolling, spamming, acid, whatever. Because it’s an invasion. And my complaints in PvP are mostly just about how much time it takes, and how ridiculously strong it was in DkS2.

You yourself just said “It’s just stupid and unfair” when they have more heals left than you but that’s because they still have the entire freaking level to get through. You only have one target, the host has a whole ton of things to get through. Traps, enemies, situations, enemy players, and the boss. Like, it’s plenty fair because you’re INVADING someone in their world who is playing their game.

You are not their only threat, and you aren’t even the main one, nor does From seem to want you to be. This is why I’m saying they just want invasions to be an aspect of the single player experience, not something that gives invaders a way to get fair kills and rank ups

The solution is obvious: don’t go through the level in human form. DkS struck a perfect balance: while human you can summon someone to help get you through the level, but it also means you have invaders to worry about. Now invaders are just a minor annoyance, they’ve completely ruined the experience because invaders aren’t much of a threat. I just don’t understand why, after working so well in DkS, they would even make any changes to covenants/invasions/PVP. I will say, invasions aren’t as much of a joke as they were in DkS2, but it is still bad. I doubt I’ll be putting much time into this game as it stands right now, only one covenant seems like it will be worthwhile. Also, I’m a little ticked they didn’t bring back something similar to Gravelords, that covenant was godlike

it wasn’t really obvious though as the game made no mention of how Humanity worked originally and most peoples first experience with invasions was through twinking which went completely unchecked in the first one.

It’s just like anything else in a Souls game, you find out through experience. As for twinking, I don’t really see what the big deal is? I had a few twink builds in DkS, and just as often as I would massacre new players in the Parish and the Depths I would help them roll through those bosses just as easily. So it works both ways

no you learned via glowing glypths on the ground in the very first area yet for some reason they thought to leave out one of the most important core mechanics in the game.

Solaire let’s you know that you can summon him very early in the game

as a co-op mechanic and he does’t even mention humanity let alone invasions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra5FFVSNOrA

the soapstone he gives you doesn’t even explain it

*Online play item.
Leave summon sign.

Be summoned to another world as a phantom
through your sign, and defeat the area boss
to acquire humanity.
(Hollows cannot conduct summons)

In Lordran, the flow of time is distorted,
and the White Sign Soapstone allows
Undead to assist one another.*

even the Humanty item itself doesnt explain what the hell humanity is.
*Rare tiny black sprite found on corpses.
Use to gain 1 humanity and restore a
large amount of HP.

This black sprite is called humanity, but
little is known about its true nature.
If the soul is the source of all life,
then what distinguishes the humanity
we hold within ourselves?*

Sorry ahead of time for the triple posts, I’m on my phone so I’m not trying to mess with multiple quotes. Anway, I don’t really see this as a big issue. I agree that the way humanity worked was pretty opaque, but it was nothing that couldn’t be figured out in the first hour of playing the game. With any Souls game you aren’t really spoonfed information, and humanity is no different. Invasions fall into a similar category, it’s something you learn through experience. The first time I got invaded it was pretty terrifying, and to be honest I thought it was really dumb + annoying, but after a few PVP matches I really learned to love it and a whole new aspect of the game opened up to me. I’m sure many people have a similar experience.

ok im getting kind of annoyed by this “spoonfed” line because its not what yall seem to think it means. Dark Souls didn’t explain the STORY elements, it had a clear tutorial on just about all the mechanics though. this point of pride has turned into pretentiousness for a feat it never accomplished in the first place. it is no Jump and Shoot Man and never was

No it was more than just story elements. There was no map, no arrow pointing you in the correct direction, no clear way to proceed after certain bosses were beat, etc. Everything was found out through interacting with the world, reading item descriptions, and talking to NPCs. As I said before, invasions are no exception to this rule, it is something you find out through experience rather than something you are told about. I can see how someone might think this approach is stupid, but imo it is par for the course relative to the rest of the game

[crotchpuncha]

They’ve been making changes to invading ever since Demon’s so im not surprised they are changing it again, its par for the course honestly.

[Iduno]

Come back after 2 pages and it’s still just you guys arguing with the fucking village idiot, looking mighty DBZ thread in here, next up you fuckers going to be arguing about who would win out of Artorias vs Superman.

[drunkards_walk]

Come back after 2 pages and it’s still just you guys arguing with the fucking village idiot, looking mighty DBZ thread in here, next up you fuckers going to be arguing about who would win out of Artorias vs Superman.

Maybe you’d like to contribute something for a change instead of doing nothing but making menial, sardonic remarks?

[DANZAN]

I do appreciate discussion about pvp since most people here are so quick to dismiss it , saying stuff like “oh it’s not for me! I don’t like PVP!” etc etc. Completely ignoring the fact that pvp is a huge part of DS and that it keeps these games alive long after everything has been said and done.

So please continue having discussions like the one you were having before deadmau5 came here and shat on the table.