so pretty muvch i should just keep doing my own tech. im prolly the best vergil i seen, not to be an ass tho.
Thatās cool. I donāt think many people are playing Vergil very effectively or really thinking about what theyāre doing when using him. Heās kinda on his day 1 Dante stuff still. I remember hearing Frosty stream being hyped for Vergil play and remember from what I saw that it was decent.
compared to what ive seen ff had great vergils relative to other shit on the coasts. people will be so salty when vergils stop being lazy
Known Vergil players: ZeuS, Omniscythe, OMG its Andre, Yipes, Richard Nguyen, Kerahime, Samās Club/Ariusa, DacidBro, LPN, Flocker, Winrich, Andre (secondary team), Marn
In Japan I think 7/8 teams in top 8 (including the winner) at Kubosgarden had Vergil on their team and all were solid/above average compared to American Vergil players (definitely in comparison to the coast Vergil players). It was mostly Vergil anchor position abuse though. I am thinking the main Vergil tech/play development is going to come from Japan and the American players might adopt some strategies from it.
Iām gonna read through the rest of this thread sure some useful shit would be found.
Has anyone experimented with charged roundtrip, superjump, Starfall (j.S) then on block release the roundtrip as a way to start pressure?
Too risky imo, I like to play a very very safe Vergil. I am incorporating that round trip glitch into my game though. That shit is amazing. its like an infinite blockstring if they let you just keep calling assists and pressing buttons, then when they crackā¦dead character. Also learned some retarded resets with dante and wesker (from nini). Trenchcoat is looking like an absolutely top tier team.
There are other ways to start pressure with Vergil although Starfall into RT works if your opponent isnāt used to it. Just donāt whiff it, you have to be sure about it. It feels that RT off of a Starfall has less activation frames but I donāt know for sure. Since you should ideally have RT charged up as much as possible itās good to have this in the bag.
Iāve been experimenting with some alt vergil squads and Iāve found he is a great team player as well. Lately been fucking around with dorm/verg/wesker. Rapid slash is sooooo good for dorm. you just dark matter, call vergil, cancel into whatever. So may hitboxes on screen. You also get a sword loop off of ANY chaotic flame. Pretty nice honestly. It also is teach me how to be safer with vergil as Iām playing with basically no assist when dorm dies. Its kinda similar to when I played phoenix on point in vanilla to really learn her. Its interesting what you can teach yourself when you have to rely on just the character.
General Vergil stuff
A nice reset I found is blahblah, otg, rt, lunar phase, S,H (call beam) teleport M. this catches backrollers and is unreactable as hell. If they roll forward you are still safe though.
DT Vergil can be really abused. All his shit gets buffed ridiculously. Rapid Slash even becomes safe (-3 I believe). Iām trying to train myself to DT everytime someone pushblocks me out to maintain pressure. See Vergil flying around with that range makes people nervous.
Sorry I canāt input more, but this thread covers a lot of important juice already. 
Where can I see footage of your play
Well first off you have to be doing legit comboās. Any touch MUST lead to death as otherwise your playing a really shitty matchup. It takes 1.1 meters to do so, but minimize your risk till you get that opportunity. Once you get that going for you I think the matchup is only slightly against Vergil.
If he bionic arms but he doesnāt have DHC meter X-Factor to make yourself safe as you force him to use it or lose his character. Itās doubtful Vergil will be threatened by any other character so itās a good use of XF.
If Spencer takes to the air and he doesnāt have something like Doom Beam or Drones you should be able to just lol him out with air throws and st. S. Spencer canāt approach very well from the air if you learn to shut down just mashing inwards. Remember if he takes to the air thatās your time to try and get easy damage. Helm Breaker also works well if he takes to the air.
Bait a lot because if he doesnāt have bionic arm stocked he really has no solid options against Vergil. Everything Spencer does works because you have to fear the bionic arm.
End your strings with cr. H, he canāt punish it without XF guard canceling.
Bionic arm will lose or trade at fullscreen so you can do some stuff with judgement cut / assists to try to encourage him to come to you. The arm is only scary when he gets the combo afterwards and again him wasting arm means heās handing you the match on a golden platter.
Honestly the matchup isnāt that shitty, just you canāt throw rock until it works like in most matchups. You have to actually play the player like a real fighting game.
just some casuals, its like 2 in the morning during these so kinda sloppy at times lol.
end of part 1 onwards, like 3 vergils in top 8 too.
What are some of Vergils options when the opponents next character is coming? I use Vergil/Wesker/Hawkeye and Iām trying to do round trip to get them on the ground and then go with low gun shot/j.s but nothing air tight so far.
Thats kind of a shitty setup (going for the unblockable coming in). Vergils air attacks donāt lend themself well to trying to set up unblockables on welcome. The only way your hitting someone with that is if you catch them blocking sword storm and are really sleeping. Vergils best bet is using RT to set up a self 50/50. You jump throw the RT and then the moment is starting to come back to you, teleport left or right. Shits dirty. You can also just do a meaty jump.m/c to get them blocking and go from there. But honestly the RT setup is the easiest, and safest option he has on welcome Iāve found. Learn it as its a great asset to his game. The only unblockable worth mentioning with Vergil is the Nova one, and that is so easy my lil sis could do it.
I see, thanks man.
Man I have been talking about the S -> H reset for ages. 
There is even a video of it in the Vergil reset thread.
Try the Stinger reset that I have also talked about. Itās fairly devious too.
quick question: can vergil block when he activates his super where there swords spinning around him?
please quote this so that I can receive an alert
Its 13 frames pre-flash and 1 frame after the flash. Then theres a 10 frame recovery on it, so not immediately.
could I punish it with danteās level three full screen?