DT Rising Sun looks like a very fast, invincible reversal. But that’s only in DT mode. Do you guys think Vergil’s needs an OTG assist to maximize his damage? Thinking my other member Taskmaster might too and don’t want to end up being too dependent on it.
I don’t think Vergil NEEDS an otg assist, just use an assist to let you combo off of High Time if you can’t find an otg assist to use…
And once again Dante’s jam session assists solves life’s problems.
What worries me most about Vergil is that worst case scenario you could just throw Vergil in the back with meters and he’s pretty much a self sufficient character at turning around a match. You don’t have to worry about much as far as keeping him safe as long as you have sword dance super and with DT and XF on could easily just run through people. You can create mix ups with sword dance super literally by just jumping forward. Auto pilot as shit. If the character has a Dark Wesker or better worthy anchor status, that usually shows if you just put thought into their point game it can hardly go wrong either.
I think it’s just hit point game will take some time to brew but once it’s figured out he’ll be just as scary on point as any other high tier as long as you can build meter for sword dance or activate DT early and kill someone off. The idea I have is basically to hit and reset with a mix up (either assist+ teleport or rapid slash) into DT kill them off then throw him in the back so my team now has a super assist basically.
wait, what?
My friend should have the game by midnight also.
I’m thinking something similar. Confirm a hit, force an air throw or teleport+assist mixup, end combo in DT DHC’d Phantom Dance for a safe way into Super Wesker with a monster assist. I’m still unsure if I want to run Vergil on point or not though. He’s likely going to need some help to lock up his normals tightly, and having lockdown assists will help both him and Wesker. My copy should be coming in today, so hopefully I can report back on the effectiveness of this gameplan, though I see no reason why it would fail.
You running Vergil on point, so you can use Ouroboros Level 3 Anchor? Or Doctor Strange as an anchor? Just curious. Seems like a lot of these characters have potential as viable derp anchors. I hear so much about Vergil. But look at Strider with dive kick assist, and Ouroboros Level 3, can’t be more autopilot than that in my opinion.
I basically have my gameplan so if I kill one character with Vergil…Vergil ends up being the anchor and Strider and Strange get supowered DT assists. If Vergil somehow dies before that happens then Strider becomes the anchor.
I can still see Strider assist helping Strange out a lot since it’s a tracking assist that compliments his zoning style game nicely and Dr. Strange basically has his own assists.
For playing against Vergil defensively I will be trying to snap him in if people are trying to save him as anchor. No way I want that guy running around with level 3 xfc and meter. I figure without an air dash he will be pretty vulnerable to post snap mixups.
If people put him in devil trigger first then he’ll have a double jump/airdash coming in to help deal with snap in mixups.
usually if they have him as anchor he wouldn’t have come in yet (tkaing in to consideration im the one in control of the match)
I’m not gonna lie though. After playing him a lot the past 2 days, he’s more suited as an anchor than on point. It’s like the opposite of Dante in a sense where Dante’s great on point but not as good as anchor whereas Vergil is great as an anchor but not as good on point. They both can do 2nd slot and they both excel anywhere on the team, but they shine best when D is on point and V is on anchor.
If this was vanilla where meter gain was retarded good, V would be great anywhere in a team period. But now that you have to work harder for meter, his point game will revolve around resets/mixups and not having him in just any team. (sadly) will you save the meter and end the combo for the mixup to build more meter? or reset the situation after Bubbles for the hard knockdown and mixup? I feel he’s going to be at best a secondary and for full potential an anchor kind of guy because swords in any position (blistering or crown) are too strong to pass up for easy left/right/up/down mixups or for any idiot who doesn’t know that the crown swords won’t disappear unless tagged out or can’t block blistering sword left/right mixups.
Dont’ get me wrong, I think Vergil on point can work, but he’ll just be doing hot combos for ok meter and stylish purposes like Dante. But Vergil is the type of guy who will play dirty and doesn’t give a fuck so him being last, wasting meter on swords for “you’re fucked” mixups or simply being a the stronghold of the team.
But we are at -1 day release so i’m only going by my lab work so far.
I was actually just about to say this. If the average Vergil team has him as anchor… just snap him in & mixup. Though, we’ll have to wait & see if the reaction to Vergil as anchor generates the same reaction as seeing Vanilla Phoenix as anchor also.
I really like Vergil on point though & I like how DevilJin plans to play it out. Get some combos in, try & kill a character. If that works, DT & your two other characters have an awesome DT’d assist. Now I just need to find my two other characters stares at Mission Mode lovingly
I don’t care what people say, no matter how many bars it requires. Killing Hulk and Nemesis with a full combo and getting around that hitstun deterioration is really scary. Vergil might be patched in a few weeks or months if this keeps up, haha. But maybe people are just experimenting with him more than anyone else. Spiral Swords FTW anyways. I’m picking up the guide later, and if I have time, I’ll post the frame advantage of all of his normals, etc.
The greatest part is that required no assists, no x-factor, and was only -1.5 on meter.
AWWW YEAH
Messed around with Vergil for a little bit today.
I’m not sure what the big deal about his normals having super long recovery is? Cancel a blockstring into Stinger XX Judgement Cut; recovery feels neutralish BUT you’re pushed back hella far from the opponent. Safety really isn’t a problem with this guy.
Rapid Slash is a projectile. Dunno if I’m the late to the party with this, but it surprised me. You’ll still end behind Strange if he counters it, but… don’t call Rapid Slash assist against him lol
The timing for S XX (late) Round Trip is extremely tight, but its probably the key to his corner BnBs. But if you start with Vergil’s back to the corner, you can do something like S -> C.H XX Stinger XX Round Trip; almost all the Round Trip hits connect, so your options are MUCH greater. Either way you can build at least 1 bar and hard knockdown, so Spiral Swords/DT are pretty much always free. Haven’t come up with anything extraordinary yet, but I miiight have some combos for the thread later tonight.
So… we have safe (yes, really) pressure, style combos, safe derp teleport mixups, consistent ways to get into his BOSS modes… yeah I’m showing up at NEC with this guy haha
Posted that a week ago, you know, when it would have been early… Why you quoting stuff a week old?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sekxkq9T0Eo&feature=feedu
Posted in the video thread, but it’s still worth posting in the discussion thread!
Does that combo you did on Hulk only work on big characters? Also did you start with J. H? I cant see that opening people up to well. Im sure it could work off other normals though.