I thought Kunai was a physical hit (same with rocks.) Wouldn’t that stuff Ultra 1?
Also, Ultra 1 is really, really good against Sim. Punishes fireballs, teleport mixups, and jump back fierce, even on hit.
Even specials and normals knock Kunai.
it depends where the kunai hits.
if the kunai hits the upper part of vega’s body he gets stuffed.
if the kunai hits the lower part of vega’s body he stuffs the kunai
Anyone know what to do against decent Kens? Been messing around with 2012 after a long hiatus and I’m finding I have way more trouble with this character than I used to (maybe cuz more people are much better with him then they used to be).
Ryus can be hard too but I find I’m understanding that MU more. Ken on the other hand just owns me, simply cuz every move he has is designed to get in on me for free and going to the air just seems like it’s suicide short of spamming air throw on the jump happy ones.
nah most Kens are still pretty scrubby. Trickiest thing to watch out for is EX air tatsu crossover into DP. And yeah… spam that air throw cause it beats air tatsu pretty solidly.
Also, keep your distance and neutral jump a lot, it shuts down a lot of his options.
I know it’s pretty vague, but this helped my game against Ken immensly.
It draws him in, but with enough time for you to react to anything he has. I agree, most Kens are pretty scrubby, and lack patience. They will come after you, and when there is a big enough space between you guys you have the advantage.
I think u1 is good against akuma and sim. It restricts options for both.
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there are some great Kens in my area… i beat them usually by drawing them into uppercutting, with FBA’s to various places around the screen, and at various heights and timing until i can get a few grabs out of it
then i distance and FA feign and get him to start jumping in on me, and when he jumps in and strikes, then cr mk xx Fireball i EXCRF through the fireball or go for a throw
I CH if possible when he jumps over me and CH again if his pokes wont stuff it, and FAFD all of his fireballs
i do a half back slash after his sin kick or any time he gets in a position to choose between a throw or uppercut
i Dash fwd when he’s down and feign a mix up game then half back slash his upper cut
I EX SHC his fireballs as well
i st LK his spin kicks
i cr lk his spam game
i safe jump HP/HK his upper cuts on wakeup
i far mk his fireballs , and try to beat out his mk with my own long ones
the key is to not to let him jab you, full back slash if i need more space or even do a EXFBA to my back wall
i use U1, and distance him to draw a mk then do my ultra when he throws it out
airthrows are key and pull him right out of his air spin kick
i jump off my back wall and down and air throw his regular horizontal spin kick on the way down from the wall
and so on
if you do half that stuff listed you will die pretty fast to any flowchart ken
he asked for tactics
thats not in any specific order there
my game in no way relies on my vega but rather on my opponent
and i’m willing to bet i beat the kens you cannot
as i said, i beat the best in my area, who are so good nobody else can beat them, where one jab leads to a combo with half your life being taken off, where every ultra is landed, and theres nothing you can do but guess or choose which way you’d like your butt handed to you
at any rate, im confident i can beat any ken , those are a list of some things i do with ken, would you like me to go over some sort of imaginary game with you?
go ahead, you be ken, and tell me what you’re going to do, lets see how it works
i know you dont beat flowchart kens, so dont bother telling me about your flowchart vega, cause flowchart vega cant hang…
you know? Have you seen me play? I’ve had enough theory fighter for today. If you’re here for help or to help that’s one thing. If you’re here to proove something, then go to a tourney or hop online and I’ll be glad to oblidge. I will say tho that if that’s your strategy against kens and those are the best kens in your area, then you may want to re-evaluate the caliber players you are playing. Encouraging people to backflip or EX FBA to the back wall for space though has already been prooven long ago that it’s more often than not, a bad idea. And there’s plenty of other things there that are generally bad ideas as well.
If you’re here in norcal, come by NCR in March. I know a Ken that I can put money down on that you wont beat him in any match with that strategy.
As for me. I don’t play Ken. I play Vega. I do know how to fight against Ken though and like I said, half of the stuff you listed will get you killed pretty fast
i dont think there are any better players in Japan or America than there is in China…
in fact, i’d like to see them put all the china-bashing and piracy-defamation aside and step up to the plate
there are 1.3 billion people here, the reason they took all the olympic gold medals home is that they simply have the worlds largest pool to choose from
no, i dont think you can beat anyone in China.
i suspect GFWL has banned China from playing by making Super AE very difficult to get online with, where as vanilla was no problem
i had to buy the game in hongkong… whatever, i offer constructive ideas and all you’ve done is offer criticism… i dont think you have any skills… if im wrong, prove it, post you ken match up
otherwise, stop your blind criticisms… its easy to talk smack all day about others ideas when you dont offer anything yourself
Chinese have no rules or ethics, and they are as smart as computers, and all they want is to win and they dont care about anything else, at all…
you cant compete here…
they will literally stab you in the back with 40 knives from 40 different people and nobody would have seen, heard, or said anything…
their game playing is equally as anal…
First of all critcism weeds out bad ideas. If your strategies are legit, then back it up with something. I don’t care if you live in China, or here, or Japan. You expect me to just take your word for it when it’s been well established (through evidence on these forums if you had actually taken the time to read them) that backflipping in a match is generally a bad idea. Now if you have something… anything to back it up with, then be my guest. We’re all here to learn. But don’t come in here talking like you’re hot shit and belittling everyone else when you dont (or cant) back up what you say.
2nd of all, I don’t offer anything myself? Read the damn forums. I’m on here on a daily basis not just telling people good ideas but willing to show them myself if need be.
3rd, if america and japan are as free as you say, then why not come over here to tournaments, or go to Japanese tournaments and proove it. Free money. You’ll win more than enough to cover the cost of your plane ticket and hotel while you stay.
I mean come on… You come on here and say something false… (like Ryu’s jHK cant be U2’d), I offer to proove you wrong and you decline and come up with excuses.
I literally laughed out loud. Read over what you just wrote, and then look in the mirror and ask yourself, “Do I really expect people to take me serious?”
Wow, 40 diferent knives? whistles Sounds vicious. You are great in a debate, man. And your wit is just as sharp as those 40 knives, keep it up, tiger.
Vegaman tells you nicely your shit advice is, indeed, shit, then you spout out he has no skills?
I’d put down my last dollar that he’d mop the floor with you and you know what, any of us here would. Because if you’re telling people to EX FBA to the back wall to escape, full slash for more space and to cr.lk Ken’s spam game (are you fucking serious) then I can’t wait to see the ridiculous bull shit you pull with other characters.
Again…40 different people, huh? Wow…
Not matter how much of a shitty week I have, I can just think back to your post to make me laugh.
Thank you so much.
well, guy I’ve told you i can beat any ken you can throw at me, period
i dont care if you “believe its legit, yo” or not…
if you are a real SF4 nut you’d come to China and play here
Daigo would get his butt handed to him 40 different ways – oh, you dont believe that either
Let me tell you, nobody here has stye, nobody cares about it…if the makers of SSF4 could program the computer to do whatever the game is capable of and spam it as fast as the game allowed and as flawlessly as the game allowed, and spam it all day long if it meant a win, then you’d be getting closer to how the Chinese play it…
look, its your crybaby japanese who banned it from China, so that their play glory wouldnt be diminished to endless losses to the Chinese, as Japanese love to Pander to the Americans for sweet compliments
Japanese and Americans are like frat buddies who can just make up any old crap they want and talk smack all day long, because they’ll never give the Chinese a chance to compete with them
look, the best players in japan and at capcom cannot themselves handle the Chinese competition… believe what you want, I’ve seen all those daigo video and I havent seen anything remotely as pwning as I see in China
but the Chinese are all banned from your little club under the LAUGHABLE guise of “piracy”, which doesnt even apply to a game where you need a CDKEY to play
Riddle me this:
If the Japanese dorks werent so afraid of China pwning them, why then is there not even a SINGLE GAME AVAILABLE FOR SALE ANYWHERE IN CHINA THAT CAN GO ONLINE?
there are countless other games that run over 300 rmb a pop, and the people that play SSF4 in the arcade all have PS3’s and Genuine Xbox’s anyway, and they arent paying 5 rmb per fake game, they cant buy even one of those games if they still wish to play online, you have change the Xbox machine to play copy games from inside the machine itself, and once you do that YOU CAN NO LONGER PLAY STORE-BOUGHT LEGITIMATE GAMES - and you CANNOT BUY ANY COPIED OR PIRATED PS3 GAMES ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AT ALL
and China has most of the worlds millionaire, they can buy every PS3 game made…and they do
AND you cant play SF4 online at all with a pirated copy anyway, as only one key can only be used at a time
thus, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO EXCLUDE CHINA FROM ONLINE GAME PLAY OTHER THAN THE JAPANESE AND AMERICANS SIMPLY DONT WANT THE COMPETITION, AND DONT WANT IT TO END UP LIKE THE BEIJING OLYMPICS, WHERE CHINA WALKS AWAY WITH EVERY WIN…
no, sadly, Japanese like your little americans to praise and idolize them, because however clever japanese are, when it comes to fighting, Chinese win hands down
Chinese have no ethics, will exploit any and every advantage, will never fight anyone face to face, will run away from conflict, and will work together to blind side, or stab you LITERALLY IN THE BACK in GROUPS, with a 100 witnesses nearby who neither heard, saw, or will say anything…
its just not even in their genetic makeup to give a crap about anyone else, and doing what is right is ALWAYS doing what is best for themselves, financially or otherwise
they cant even think of anything as lame, in fact, they think spamming the same move for the entire game is being totally awesome. and couldnt ever be more awesome, because they believe it to be the smartest thing, because it led to a win, and gave the most reward to risk…
and they wont let up for anything…
sorry, i’ve yet to see any online video that comes close to how they play in China
so, instead of calling me out, a classy and well-cultured player, who can beat them often anyway, why dont YOU bring your doubts to China and man up, instead of hiding out and talking loosey smack because you KNOW you will never play any Chinese
well, i hope that protective bubble gives you years of enjoyment whilst protecting you from reality
and remember, you’re the best, you americans and the japanese. and in fact, there is no china
As much as I’d love to believe that there’s anybody this hilariously ignorant, he’s defiantly a troll
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Like during WW II?
Ooohh, too soon?
This was about Street Fighter, and you turned it political. I don’t give a fuck which country has the most under-handed, back-stabbing fuck rats, I really don’t.
There are scumbags in Japan and America, and, obviously, in China. Your advice on tatics against Ken are shitty, it starts and ends there. Period. This has nothing to do with nationality, or which country is ‘the best’.
You’ve obviously been dying to let that little essay out so now that it’s out, skidaddle. Thank you again for your time and the laughs, Zen.