Exactly. If anyone should play F-Tier, it’s that guy. I’m of the mind of Krackatoa, where I think Dan should be a middle-of-the-road character. The tools he has at his disposal could make for a real great rushdown character; since inception, I don’t think I’ve ever really used the rest of the “shoto” characters, since Dan’s moves just seem more fun.
I was fighting against a sagat with my dan today and he started spamming fireballs. I was actually able to engage in a fireball war with him and not get murdered. I anticipated the fireballs and ended winning the fight. That made me realize that the hit properties of the fireball aren’t all that bad. The problem is you need to be able to anticipate ahead of time to use it effectively. I can’t counter FB on reaction because it comes out to slow. Hopefully they speed up the fireball startup but keep the rest of the properties either the same or better.
I think you are so wrong its funny. Dan is more than a “joke character”, he’s a parody, but in a way I think he is also a tribute. I think some people at Capcom really love SNK. I’m guessing the animators play KOF games all the time and that’s where they get a lot of there inspiration. I mean just look at Dan’s animations, they look like frame by frame rips from Tekuma and Ryo. Its obvious they put alot of blood, sweat, and tears into creating this character. But weather or not he is a joke, a parody, or a tribute, that still has nothing to do with his tier ranking. As people have stating before you can be funny and kick ass at the same time. Anyways most Dan players don’t want to make Dan into A class, they just want him to have a few tools to help with his really awful matchups and make things more fun!
I still believe that Dan is a parody of the “serious fighter” and deserves some sort of interesting buffs that complement his playstyle.
The best idea is still that taunts build meter, or that someone hitting you doing a taunt gives you double the Revenge amount in your Ultra bar. I’m a little disappointed that Otoko Michi isn’t the second Ultra.
(I still think Dan is one of the best characters in SF4)
Wether he’s a parody (this is the word I was looking for, completely agree) or a joke, he is still designed to be bad he’s been bad in every single game. That’s who he is supposed to be. The guy who sucks. Some of you are so obsessed with this utopic super balanced game that you can’t see that some characters are always meant to be good and some are always meant to suck hardcore. Sagat, an example by oposition, is always meant to be good (even though sometimes they sort of screw that up). He is the king, a big guy, the one who beat Ryu only to withstand and survive intense pain accross his chest during the rest of his life. He’s a deep character with a strong mind and great power. Akuma is another example of a character that should always be top tier. DAN is destined to fail: he joined Gouken’s dojo for the wrong reasons (thus, he WAS morally corrupt); he was expelled (thus he has an incomplete technique); he was only able to get his “revenge” because Sagat was going through his spiritually peaceful stage; he then boasted around about that win and thought he was the strongest.
Now, while this makes him hilariously bad, it also makes him hilariously… Hilarious. It’s who Dan is. He’s that guy that we can all relate to someone we know IRL tht makes us laugh because they’re so full of themselves xD he’s supposed to suck, just not as much and not in a cheap way of sucking like in SF4.
Dan needs a parody of Sagat’s new Ultra that buffs his next move (if the guesses are right), say an EX taunt that nerfs the next attack or combo that lands against him. I think that really keeps with the spirit of Dan, dubious usefulness but better than nothing.
A few other thoughts, an aerial derivative of his UltraI and a Hundred Hand Slap/ Thousand Hands with the range of his standing Jab. EX would have armor and cause crumple.
lol, I like this xD It’s like he’s hurting the opponent’s pride!
This post is godlike in so many ways
Capcom made Dan pretty good in this game so it kinda gives an indication that they are moving away from the “dan must be crap to be funny” mentality. And since everyone is going to get buffed in SSFIV its reasonable to expect that Dan will have some fun new tools to help him deal with certain situations. I’m not expecting him to be top tier or even mid tier. I actually don’t even care if he’s still bottom tier. I just want some new tricks and strategy’s.
No they didn’t
Gen is equal to akuma and he can easily kill sagat.He is bottom tier.Why?Because of leukemia?
As much as I like Dan, Kanta-Kun is right, though. In every game I can remember him in, his main attribute was sucking by design. Personally, when he was first introduced in Alpha (and I knew nothing about SNK games other than SS), he really didn’t even seem that goofy or parody aside from Super Taunts and useless fireballs (and being that they’re almost identical to his SNK counterparts’, that’s not really goofy either). No, first and foremost, he was made to suck.
People can protest all they want, but it’s basically a given that Dan is going to have shortcomings by design. The issue, as Kanta-Kun said, is how much we want him to suck. I said, way back in this thread, that I wanted Dan to basically have the tools such that most of his matchups are 4-6 with some 5-5s with hopefully anything 3-7 or worse being avoided. Realistically speaking, I think that’s the absolute best Dan can hope for. A challenging character to play, but not a wasted slot.
Dan is not bad. His s.MK is a great poke, his j.MK is a great crossup and leads into a good combo, his c.HP xx Dankicks just feels great, especially when you are punishing a DP or something, his EX Dankicks are just flashy as hell, he’s pretty good at pressuring opponents in the corner, his ultra is a fucking great counter, almost like a less damaging Raging Demon except you can combo into it off EX Gadou. I feel like Dan is actually pretty solid, his main problem is he’s one dimensional. Once opponents back away he runs out of options. He has to either jump in or wait. He needs to be in crossup range to really make anything happen. Even then its risky when your opponent has autocorrect DP.
HE’S GOT POTENTIAL 
That is EXACTLY where I want to see Dan, a threat to everybody but has an advantage over nobody…
s.MP > s.LP xx Kouryuken - sucks, must be in their face and isn’t consistant
s.MP > s.MP xx Legendary Taunt xx Shissou Buraiken - 1 frame link with a pretty damn hard super cancel
Yeah that’s the extent of Dan’s links currently, both pretty damn useless. I think a c.LP > c.LP xx Kouryuken would go a long way for him.
And yes as E C said Dan was made to be complete arse originally in Alpha 1 (I hear he’s actually not the worst character in Alpha 3) but he’s not made to be complete arse in SF4, just a little arse and that’s where we want him. Pretty much every match will be an uphill struggle, we just don’t want that hill to be stupidly steep, which it isn’t now but it could use to be not as steep.
Gen isn’t really bottom, he’s mid/low-mid I think. As for why he’s not high on the tier list, SF4’s engine didn’t help him much, lost his chains and got overall slower comparing to Alpha. Hopefully SSF4 remedies that (even though the current rumors point to him actually being nerfed, which I hope is a lie)…
…and leukemia.
lol @ wanting everyone to be a 5-5, you might as well just make the game so only dan can be picked, now that’ll be TRUE balance indeed, non stop dan vs dan matches.
Hmm I’m really hoping they give Dan some tools to get around fireballs, that alone would make Sagat/Ryu matches immensely less annoying. Also some way to punish blanka balls. And IDK what could help in Balrog matchup, maybe a command overhead? At least it might make balrog think twice about turtling up the whole time (by the way I’ve been maining balrog for a while now)
Maybe we should have a poll and see how many people want dan to be total shit/c tier/middle tier/etc.? I’m a little curious to see what the predominate thinking is… I vote for C tier, but I’d be happy if he somehow made it into middle tier lol
I would be happy if he made it to C-tier in Super. B and up is just wishful thinking at this point. He has what it takes to be higher but it all depends on whether Capcom decides to put the effort in to make him more than just a parody of SNK . He can still have Ryo/Robert/Takuma moves but they shouldn’t keep making him a weakling. Buff him up or get rid of him. The gag runs its course after awhile.
I agree with you except I don’t think Dan is weak. There have been times where I was able to overwhelm unsuspecting opponents with Dan crossups and block strings, poke them to death with s.MK, I was even able to stun an Abel towards the end of the round with s.LP->s.LP->s.LP->s.LK and finish them off BnB combo. I think the real problem is the speed and priority on some of his moves. I’d be fine having the same priority if they would speed things up a bit and allow for some new links.