D.C. schools new achievement targets vary by race

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Indeed that is the case today. Standards don’t need to be lowered(as anyone who’s taken a critical look at our education system should know). They should actually be raised in numerous respects, and pedagogical techniques also have to be refined.(also, and this is a side rant, in addition to maintaining an academic focus we should also consider other factors such as possibly lengthening the school year, arranging more time for recess and other relaxation from all the course work instead of getting rid of it as some schools are doing, and how about having more classes outside instead of in a stuffy classroom? but yeah that’s a whole nother train of thought). But yeah, the best schools in the world, the best teachers in the world, mean nothing if the culture actively discourages and ridicules academic achievement. I’ve mentioned this numerous times but there’s a trend of anti-intellectualism in American culture in general(but especially prevalent in the black community at large) that looks upon education as a waste of time, or something to mock. I mean people literally risked their lives and even died just to be able to read, yet nowadays if you read(and this is just from the black standpoint),don’t talk a certain way, or dress a certain way, you’re a tom/acting white/oreo/any other range of insults.

Matriarch, I’m still waiting on a response as to getting rid of all the handouts/privileges/protections for you and your fellow female whiners. I mean come on if we’re going to do this let’s go all the way and not spare anyone.

Also, I noticed you rather boisterously mentioned your living on a reservation, as if that establishes any kind of ethos. So I’m sure you’re all for ending all the laws and protections for Native Americans too right? I mean let’s disembowel tribal governments and the entire gaming industry they profit from, in addition to all the special laws they get too.

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Sorry Bruv but this part does not actually pertain to the topic of entitlements.

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Not sure if you’re trolling me or not Pertho. In what way does it not pertain to the topic of entitlements? I mean there are certain things put in place for Native Americans due to their predicament, and there’s things they are allowed to control. If we’re getting rid of entitlements, we should get rid of every single one. Not just the ones handed out to blacks/latinos

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Not trolling at all on this one. The thing about the current state of the various Native American Tribes is that most of them are there illegally. Take a second look at the constitution:

According to the constitution all treaties made are in equal standing to it. This means that the United States became the country it is by constantly violating its own constitution by means of breaking the treaties it had with many different tribes in order to get their land. Reservations are the equivalent of handing people biscuits after we steal their steaks. Setting up the reservations in places that are not similar to their traditional lands, giving them “aid” so that they create and fix infrastructure, and any other concession made to them does not amount to shit considering what the country really owes them.

So no, don’t see them as entitlements, see them as taking them out on a cheap date so they can shut up.

Edit: It can be found in Article VI. Forgot to add that.

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even native americans owned black slaves. i dont think even they can complain about being treated unfairly.

shitted on by who exactly? wasnt it their choice to migrate to America.

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For the most part, native americans owned black slaves to “free” them. They didn’t agree with slavery and tried to “flipped the script” on white people. The major issue with this was that blacks had to be near the native americans who brought them because a “free” slave back then could be sent back into the real slavery.

Edit : This is what someone told me who was half native american years ago.

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I was speaking more of the war that my parents had to endure… I wasn’t talking about their experience in Amurica.

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So because a relatively small percentage of Indians owned slaves, that negates their right to protest any injustice perpetrated upon them?
If you want to get pedantic, blacks owned black slaves as well. Does that mean black people should shut up and stop complaining too?

Hahaha my parents had a harder time in the USA than yours! Wait…

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Not quite. I’m sure there were some who did it in that kind of spirit(and free blacks were integrated into the Seminole nation), I’d say the majority of them did it as a replication of the dominate White European culture. And it was the same for the **Black americans **who owned Black slaves(such as Andrew or Anthony Johnson can’t remember which, but he was the first Black person to own a Black slave for life, which got nipped in the bud after him as Blacks owning slaves basically allowed them to elevate themselves to the same status as White slave owners)

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Anthony Johnson was an Angolan African held as an indentured servant by a merchant in the Colony of Virginia in 1620, but later freed to become a successful tobacco farmer and owner. Notably, he was the first to hold a black African servant as a legal slave in the mainland American colonies. Upon his death in 1670 a court ruled that he was “a negro and by consequence, an alien”, and the colony seized his land.

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No need for the thread to get sidetracked. Reality of the situation is that we are undermining our own talent pool by: 1) forcing academic ability to be the only thing that matters and 2) downplaying the importance of highly skilled workers in manual trades.

If you bitches want to turn this thread into something else, just make a thread for it and go have yourselves’ a ball.

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^I’d say it’s a little more complicated than that but general point is made. Overall, this is a bad idea

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And overemphasizing the need for STEM graduates. Earlier on the radio some woman was saying that we only graduate 70,000 engineers a year compared to 500,000 in China. I was sitting there thinking, 70,000 per year is A LOT! Are there 70,000 engineering jobs available? Plus the whole population difference thing might matter…

As for the skilled trades, I agree. They’re looked down upon, but in my opinion an office management job is infinitely more degrading than plumbing. *Shop Class as Soulcraft *by Matthew Crawford makes a good case for skilled labor.

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To me, it seems that skilled trade jobs are primarily looked down upon by people who got PhDs or it seems like that at my organization which is a school district.

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^I wouldn’t even say just phds, but regular college students look down on skilled labor. Which is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. There is some good money to be made in skilled labor(with not nearly the amount of debt from going to four year colleges or grad school), and it’s an excellent alternative for people who don’t go to college. But for some reason we tend to push EVERYONE TO GO TO COLLEGE, and if you don’t go to college you’ve failed in some way(pft). Having a degree doesn’t make you, it helps yes but it doesn’t guarantee anything. Nor does having some fancy title(such as Dr.) in front of your name make you something, which someone in this thread could stand to remember. You make yourself something.

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Poor neighborhoods are disadvantaged when it comes to school. Just becuase like 3 people pass and be rich, doesn’t mean that the majority is going to do so as well. Everyone is different.

The point is to try to get more students to pass, not blame the students. The point is to help them, not belittle every poor student. That’s not productive and that is going to be the death of the country.

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Another big problem is the amount of shitty administrators and teachers in the school systems. Yes there are disrespectful parents, yes there are asshole students but an even bigger problem is the teachers who don’t have respect for their profession. If you do not sincerely care the children or what you are teaching them, you need to stop being a teacher.

Teachers also need to learn that their job is much more than do a lecture. They have a position of trust that is a cross between an instructor and a mentor. A really good teacher is going to do more than just hand in homework. That’s one part of teaching that isn’t really explained well to the teachers.

Another part is all the shitty politics that happen. There are plenty of different roles inside a school (for example counselors) who can make things shitty inside a classroom by not doing their jobs purposefully or through incompetence.

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Pay the teachers much better.

A lot of problems will be solved.

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That doesn’t solve the problem of bad teachers still teaching and the training new teachers receive being inadequate.

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Raising the pay-scale helps facilitate raising the standard for teaching.

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A little advice: if you act like a dick, people aren’t going to want to respond to you, whether or not you make great logical sense.

But since you obviously put a lot of time into coming up with that whole list and really want my response, I’ll give it to you.

I believe people that need help should get help. However, I don’t believe that should limit the opportunities of others. Some of the things you linked I do not see the need in as I feel they could be represented in more globalized laws. For example, I disagree with a law against violence towards women when a law against violence towards anyone should suffice.

However, some of the programs you listed are desperately needed. And by that I specifically mean the ones that assist in the care of children. I personally feel greater efforts should be taken to keep people from breeding when they cannot properly care for their child, but I would not withhold care from a child. The child cannot help the conditions they were born into.

I believe you’re misconstruing my words. I said that I feel that people need to stop being so focused on what they feel they’re entitled to based off of some past grievance and try and focus more on making their life better. Having a kid at age 14 isn’t a good choice for the mother or the kid, but to let the kid starve is just barbarism.

I believe we should help people, but we need to use a sense of justice. Forcing limitations onto people for events that were beyond their control is not justice. We need to help those that need help, not a race, not a gender, people.

I said people need to get the fuck over it because we’re going to run ourselves crazy trying to figure out what should be compensated, how it should be compensated, and when compensation has been fairly given out. There’s simply too many variables to tease out here, and when people point to a person’s race as an indicator of their success or lack thereof, we’re not looking at who that person really is. We’re demeaning their achievements because they only got it ‘with privileged’ or we’re victimizing them with ‘it’s not your fault’.

If people spent more time trying to better themselves and rise above their limitations the world would be a better place.