nice. thanks alot for the advice. I’m going to lean more towards my custom now, but we get a brief period of sparring and warm up before we start right? so i should know what to really use by then. evo west here i go!
Once you get there, if you have it on console, BRING the console with you to the hotel, play a little, nap, then when you get there, SQUEEZE as many casual matches as you can, I made the mistake of NOT doing that for 3S, and I ended up f’ing up. I’ll try and upload those A-King matches on youtube or something and post links before Evo West.
Again, as j1nl0ng said, play a lot against other people (the better they are, the more you can learn), and train your timing (not just your CCs, but everything that is contained in your characters) in practice mode and in sparring matches. Remember that practice makes perfection, and there should be a lot of people that, just like you, are training for Evo. I believe that playing lots of casual matches against skilled random people and watching he best players at the top of their game must be a really great experience.
Oh, and to all the people going to Evo West, I will not wish you luck. I will wish you success :D, and have a lot of fun there.
Can I get a little help working around my teams. My first team C-Guile/Rock/R-2 Ken is extremely solid and I’m pretty happy with it. My Rock is kinda shakey, but that’s because I just threw him in there a week ago after getting rid of Geese since Rock works better for my C team once I get him under control.
My second team K-Ken(Or Ryu)/Sagat/R-2 Geese is what needs work. Geese is 100% solid. I’ve been using him in C for about four months learning him and generally how he works, and after moving into K I’ve improved greatly with him since I can utilize low jumps and a raged kick throw is just plain mean. Sagat I like since I still know him from Alpha 2 and he’s very good in this and compliments Geese really well here. The last spot (Or techincally first), is where I need help. I originally had Ryu in there because I used to play him and Ken is my star for the C team. However, I’ve having trouble really utilizing Ryu anymore since I’m so used to how Ken plays. The thing is, Ken doesn’t seem to be working to well for me since I’m lacking rolls and level 2 cancels which entirely throws me off. Basically I need a suggestion on a good third person. I’m willing to learn basically anybody except Blanka (I just don’t like the character or the way he plays, never have). I’ve tryed Cammy, but I can’t seem to get a feel for her in this. I’ve experimented with Chun here as well, but I’m not sure if I could get that good with Chun. Any suggestions here would be great since I’m entirely in the dark on who to use for that spot.
Rock is a great character in K-Groove. Why don’t you try him in your K team too?
Be K- Rock/Cammy, Sagat, Geese.
Be top tier.
Cammy is quite simple in this game, not too hard.
I guess I’ll give Cammy another shot. She seems really good, and after watching a match video of K Cammy from Evo 2k5 I can definately see why she shines. I know that I’m probably not going to use Rock because I just don’t like using him with Geese. That’s mostly because it’s then awkward to use Rock, and I don’t want to throw off my C Rock at all.
i play K- Terry, Mai, Sagat… i wonder if that’s even a marginal team… some feedback would be nice… oh yeah i give sagat Ratio 2… thanks… i thought i would switch Mai as battery since Terry has the better damage imo… but i sorta new so if anyone can help thanks!!!:china:
Why forcing him to play Top Tier characters? Maybe he has better results and is more comfortable with a char that is not so top tier, but will do better than Cammy/Saga, characters that he may be not comfortable with.
If I were able to go to Evo, I would go with my official team… no things like replacing my 2 not-good-in-K-groove-chars for 2 top tier ones. If your character is limited in some way, it’s just a matter of pushing them to their limits.
To Nastrodamus: R2 Sagat alone is a beast, and even more when he is raged, but Mai and Terry canot go to their full potential in K-Groove.
hmm… so what groove makes em go to the full potenial…
and what other charcters i should try out… i was thinking Nakoruru… and not something that isn’t Blanka or top teir related cuse i was thinking one top teir was good enough… just trying to master some potenial charcters…
Start giving some ideas or info about the style that you want, if you want to be aggressive, going for hit-and-run and turtling, or what you don’t want to play at all… after that, we could recommend some characters. About Mai and Terry, their best Groove would be N IMO, unless they have some great CCs that I’m not aware of.
tell me something…
why do people make it a POINT to avoid playing top tiers?
what’s wrong with it?
is the competition too easy when you’re all playing a-are or whatever?
i personally see like maybe 1/10 players who are actually impressive with a team that consists of just TWO low/mid tiers. With three low/mid tiers it’s more like 1/50.
so i’m guessing the reason CAN’T be because the game is too easy, since I’m not really seeing those players beating people.
is it the fun factor?
is someone like Dan really more fun to play than Sagat?
i personally still have fun playing a character like k-Sagat and I’ll still randomly learn new things after playing him for several years.
it hasn’t really gotten boring to me yet, and in no way have i PERFECTED him…
if you’re playing lower tiers coincidentally because the characters match your style, that’s pretty understandable. however, if those characters are your style then you probably shouldn’t be hella losing with them. if you ARE hella losing with them, then how are they even your style (unless your style is to lose???)
it seems to me that forcing top tiers out of your gameplan is usually done out of some weirdass false pride that people associate themselves with when they got nothing else.
so…
am i right?
You’re never right…
…but I see your point.
I probably fall into that category of taking pride in using low/mid tier characters…but that’s just for fun. Come tournament time, I almost always use a top tier or two (it would only be one…but somehow K-Rock has become top tier). Even then…I take pride in Kim…but I play Rock and Cammy to win. I guess (god, help me) I’m agreeing with Keith…if the ONLY reason you’re playing low/mid is because of a false sense of pride, just sell out and use top tiers. No one’s gonna hate on you for doing what everyone else does, just do it better. Seriously, though…low/mid is only something to be proud of if you’ve put in the time AND can be successful on a large scale with it. Plus, I’ve found it a more satisfying experience to win with one low/mid and two top than just lose with three low/mid.
First of all, I have never played in a real tournament of CvS2, and probably never will be able to, because of where I live. However, I have played competitively other games, like M:TG, so even with the games being very different the one from the other, the issue of competition remains similar. The two factors that I like in competition of fighting games, is that the randomness factor is absolutely eliminated, and that you can (in a non god-tier environment like SSFIIT Akuma available for players choice) win ANY match even with the worst character, providing that you have enough skill and training to be able to do that, and there is no way at all to do that in M:TG, eve if you have mind-reading skills.
Never said anything about avoiding, just something about not being a obligation to play just with Top Tier characters. Besides, no, the competition is not easy at all when you’re all playing in A-Groove, because just like you can catch anyone off guard and PTF in his face, the same could happen to you, and in an instant, you’re doomed.
I play with a Mid-low character on my team, and a Top Tier that is certainly weakened in my groove choice, and that is because those are the characters that I like to play with, and that is the groove that I like. I play with Guil in every SFII version out thre ot because he is top tier, but because is he is the character which who I like to play with.
Both previous replies answer to this.
I consider myself very competitive, and I like to win, but given the chances, I like to win in my terms, and not in everyone else’s terms. It might be pride, but I don’t consider it to be false, as I believe that the good fighting games (CvS2, 3-3, GGXX/) are some of the ultimate tests of skill, and I don’t like them becoming the ultimate test of landing the full-lifebar-draining-CC. I have more respect for someone who gets to the finals with a non-full-of-top-tier teams than for someone that gets there with his/her A-Sakura/Bison/Blanka(R2) team, because the first player had to put a lot more of effort to pull his wins, and that means to me that he is more skilled; I mean, it’s ok if the A-Groove player plays with that team because i’ts what he really likes to play, but more often that not he plays that team because is the one who helps balance the most the scales in his favor. When I play, I play not to win, but to prove that I am more skilled than my opponent, and it can be seen in the current games that people are playing to just to win and forgetting what it’s really important. Remember the one who wins the most is not necessarily the most skillful, and the following example shows what I mean with what I have said above. I bet that a lot of known CvS2/3-3 players will enter the DoA4 tournament, maybe without even having played the game before Evo, and just knowing which characters are the Top Tiers, knowing that with that, they will have more chances at winning, and leaving with a check. People with such a mindset don’t deserve prizes like that. That’s what I think about it.
Oh, and I wish success and lots of fun at Evo to you, too. For what I have seen here in SRK, you are one of the best ones all-around in CvS2. I would really like to watch your gameplay IRL.
And BTW, I know my english sucks when I write long stuff, so please forgive the grammar mistakes (all spelling mistakes are my keyboard’s fault, not mine).
Later!
Good response.
I see what you’re saying, but something I see happen all the time is people discussing characters they want to use and then specifically saying they want to limit the number of top tiers if possible.
That to me suggests that the selection isn’t made based on the particular style of the character as much as it on the character’s tier.
There is no specific style associated with all top tier characters (for example K-Cammy rushes down while A-Bison builds meter). They just have the most potential of all other characters (and in most cases are a lot easier to pickup).
I suppose everyone has their own reasons for why they don’t like a particular character…
I just don’t understand why tiers should have anything to do with it.
I also don’t completely agree with the idea that players who win tournies (BIG tournies) with lower tiers should get more respect than players who do the same with top tiers.
Winning a huge tourney is … well winning a huge tourney. It’s still a pretty big achievement no matter what characters you used to do it.
I don’t think it’s fair to generalize the fact that a low-tier user would automatically be doing a lot better by switching to top-tiers. For all you know, they could be HORRIBLE with the top-tiers because the style doesn’t fit their own.
However, this is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand and I won’t really get into it…
i just dont like looking like everybody else.
especially sf niggas…they ugly.
Of course! Good players are good players and they deserve respect, no matter which character they use, because it doesn’t make them more or less skillful. What I don’t like are people who use top-tier characters just because they want to win but they have to compensate their mediocre skills to do so. If you’re interested to continue talking about the topic (Or the game in general, I would really like to hear about how is the experience at championships like Evo and discussing with people who have extensive knowledge of the game, I like to take any chance of improvement) by private channels, please LMK.
To continue on thread: I’d like to know examples of teams which can counter with at least a certain effectivity C-Cammy/Vega/Yamazaki(R2), and why do they work well against this team.
I r0x0r my S-Groove Sagat/Kyosuke/Chun-Li team with skill. Rush that shit down all the way. Some scrubs will bitch at the fact I have a top tier (Sagat) in my team. Some scrubs will also bitch about the fact that I have a bottom tier (Kyosuke) on my team. But I play them because I like them…simple as that.
My team is mainly rushdown, except for a few occasions in which I turtle with Chun. Of course, players will have to penetrate their way past my Sagat rushdown/countering and my proof that Kyosuke doesn’t suck…and then, and ONLY then, will they experience my Chun firsthand.
I was messing around with Geese as R2 tonight in k groove and I see no reason why people would ever do this. Hes definitley a power house but his playstyle feels so unnatural to me and he feels clunky sort of. He seems better off suited as a R1 in a K team of like Geese/Blanka/Sagat (R2). If I hadnt nearly OCV’ed one of my opponents with an R1 Sagat, I would have lost with Geese for sure. Maybe I’m playing him wrong.
Geese is hard to play, but remember that there should be some good reasons about why people who are mad enough to play K Groove-R4 use Geese and not Sagat, don’t you think?.