Thats no surprise for me, many people here talk good stuff about nakoruru and ex balrog but characters like Ken, Guile and Ryu are the real top tires on CvS1 --> (IMO)
Do you know when that big tournament was? do you know any web links of that tournament or any CvS1 related vids?
Thanks in advance.
Sorry, I don’t remember. I’ve stop collecting cvs1 vids when cvs2 came out. All I know is that it was a tournament in Japan. Majority of those players used nakoruru.
So most people was using nakoruru and the guy who won the tournament used Guile and Ryu? 
This means that Guile and Ryu should be top tier now? (in my list they always are top tier on CvS1)
Thank god capcom made this game.
It’s hard to say cause Daigo isn’t human :lol:
That doesn’t mean Ryu is top tier. Justin wong won a CVS2 tourney using haomaru, does that make him top tier? no.
I say that Guile and Ryu are top tier because the way that I play with them and not because this guy or that guy use them. Just because some people have hard time beating nakorurus and balrogs doesnt mean that is overall. (I have no problems playing against those characters and I will try to prove it playing with Guile/Ken/Ryu/Iori or Akuma on the tournament that Im working)
Alphastorm: no one is perfect but no one is god as well
Y’all can’t forget about Dhalsim.
If that were true then if i play kyosuke the way i like to play him then he should be top tier, right? no. Nak is top tier for proven reasons, she rapes everyone in the game with very little effort. Ryu is good but he’s not on nak’s level or balrogs level. I understand u have this undying love for the shotos, but they are not top tier in every game they are in.
I don’t really enjoy shotos like you are posting and I know there’s games where they will never be top tier (MvC2 is an example: cable can smoke any shoto there)
I say that Ken, Guile and Ryu are top tiers in the way that I play with them, I never saw a tournament vid where nakoruru was so superior, from what many people told from previous tournaments the champ characters were not nakoruru or balrog characters, people talk more about Guile, Ryu, King, etc… Do you know any tournament where the champ characters are nakoruru and balrog? did B5 tournament champs were nakoruru and balrog? did in hong kong? did in japan? if you have any vids or web links whit that related stuff I will be very glad to see it.
My tier list is made by playing on VS mode of DC (this way each player can chose what ratio they want for each character = much more fair)
Shotos are not top tier in every game (that will never happen) but in some games they are and on CvS1 Ryu and Ken are top tier (together with Guile) --> this is IMO only
the problem is, alot of people take Tier Lists as only their opinion.
And everything else is wrong.
Although I’m sure tier lists are made up from tournament results and character abilities.
B5 was Raiden! Hahaha
The thing is everyone agrees that Nak is top tier, just as everyone agrees blanka, sagat, and sak are top tier in cvs2. U r the only person who doesn’t agree. Nak has many many many many many more tools than the shotos do.
If that’s the case then where’s those tournaments where nakoruru and balrog won? (this is not a flame, just a straight question)
Alphastorm just posted that the winner of B5 on CvS1 was Raiden and the winner of some big tournament in japan was Ryu and Guile, I have the finals from a big hong kong tournament where there was nakoruru/balrog players and the winner was EX Yuri and other 2 unusual characters (balrog and nakoruru never got into the finals), I saw once on a japanese forum that the winner of 2 japanese tournaments (I made the translation with systranbox.com) was Ryu/Cammy/Blanka and Guile/Blanka/EX Yuri.
The only forum that I know where people say that Nakoruru and EX Balrog are the top tier is here at srk (and from all people that says that: they don’t play CvS1 anymore or they got the word from other people)
caliagent#3: I’m not the only person who doesn’t agree with the fact that Nakoruru and EX balrog dominate CvS1 (even here at srk there’s a few people who doesn’t agree with that and outside srk there’s even more people like that)
nah its for all fighting games in general, taking Vampire Savior for example, he posted his ST and VS2 tiers which were all opinion, and flamed anyone who said they were ‘gay’ because it was all opinion, not official.
I’m not 100% sure how tiers are made but like i said, from what i’ve seen its from tournaments (really big official tournaments).
nako has won 2983289023892389023 major tourneys master akuma. i dunno what youre talking about. shoulda been on srk in 2000 when there were actually vids for this game.
nakoruru/guile/exrog players won the majority of usa tourneys here. ricky won practically every tourney he entered with nak/exyuri/random r1. nelson/choi won alot of tourneys with guile as well… as for exrog, nelson, joshp, myself, cole and a few others won quite a few tourneys with exrog. though i had to switch him out later for nak haha
master akuma:
top tier in this game goes something like this.
nak/guile/exrog/sim/exyuri.
there are other chars that are good, but those 5 dominate the rest of the cast with little effort.
nak beats mostly everyone with little effort, but she has hard matches against guile, ex yuri (best counter to nak imo,) and exrog to a extent, ESPECIALLY snk rog.
guile is good against everyone, but is a bit harder to use than nak and doesnt have as many tricks. still solid as all hell though, f+short, early low fierce, stand rh and his SB’s are godlike in this game. so is his flashkick haha.
rog is the scrubbiest top tier since he has such easy combos and good lvl1’s, however he’s mainly only good against nak, but he cant really beat sim/guile/yuri to save his life.
sim is the 2nd best r1…next to exyuri. i think everyone knows why hes so good, no need to elaborate much.
exyuri is the best r1 by far. stand rh is like sakura’s rh but on crack, mad priority and you can combo into super off it. low shortx3 stand short lvl1 fb does like ~25%-40%, depending on their ratio. low fierce is best anticrossup move in the game. cant jump on her. her running super is useful for avoiding all crossups as well, especially useful against nak since thats a big part of her game.
dunno who said ryu is top tier but thats not true at all. hes good but he cant beat toptier.
i guess if anyone cares, i can break it down in more detail, as i was almost at every major cvs1 tourney there was during the game’s short lifespan, and it seems like alot of ppl here are new to the game and werent around when there were tourneys for it.
r3’s suck in general, but the best r3 by FAR is sagat (ex or normal.) only reason why he wasnt picked (except by nelson when he used R3 sagat/other R1 i forget and almost beat ricky) is cause hes r3. if he was a r2 a lot of other ppl would have played him, he’s almost as good as he is in cvs2.
Ok, first this: when I’m talking about CvS1 tiers it’s about VS mode on DC (each player can choose what ratio they want for each character) my system always go for 4 characters on ration 1.
I never talked about ratio system of Arcade mode because it’s an unfair system but that can be fixed by playing on VS mode.
Lets talk about details:
about ex balrog: you posted that he’s top tier because of his easy combos and his level 1 super, that’s it? your main point is about having balrog with snk groove and low life to do infinite supers on the corner?
about dhalsim: doesn’t need to be elaborated…?
about EX Yuri: I know she’s a good R1 but I’m talking about vs mode where every character can be R1, you can combosher stand rh with super, you can’t jump on her? and you think you can jump on guile/ken/ryu?
about nakoruru: you didn’t post anything about why she can beat almost everyone with with little effort.
Remember that I’m talking about playing on VS mode and not under arcade ratio system.
Snowman: Vampire Savior & ST? what’s that about?
One thing we do know is that Nakoruru and Guile was popularized by Japanese tournaments. We immediately jumped on the bandwagon when we found how well they performed in these tournaments. In less than a year later, cvs2 was announced and cvs1 became a passing memory. So it’s very difficult to decide who is top tier considering how short-lived the game was.
Edit: To be clear, Nakoruru has probably won the most tournaments in Japan. I was only noting that one tourney where Daigo won with Ryu/Guile. It can definately not gauge how great these characters are considering Daigo is one of Japan’s bests.
People play in the arcade mode, not on the DC.
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You didn’t even have a counter-arguement to that one. He proved why Balrog is top tier and you didn’t even try to disprove it. Oh yeah, I forgot you haven’t fought EX Balrog in a low life SNK groove.
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Because her bnb combos are easy as hell. She has too many cross ups and everyone of that is easily done.
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This is stupid, (I don’t know for Ratio 3 or 4) just because Ryu could be put in Ratio 1 doesn’t mean he would be upped in the tier-listing.
What the hell is your point? You didn’t counter-argue and that excuse of yours is weak. If you’re so knowledgeable, then tell us why Ryu is top tier?
MA, listen to sabin, he’s the “champion”
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I would really like to know y ryu is top tier also. The “combo of death” is nice, sweep shinsho is good, snk lvl 1 are nice also but nak has a lot more than him.
Ryu has a great defense, he doesn’t need to attack to much nakoruru players, by close distance he can connect his DP LP with qcfx2+K (easy) and has everyone knows his srk his way more solid than on CvS2, and like people already posted he can connect down+hk with qcfx2+p (and I’m sure everyone knows the insane amount of damage of that super move)
Nakoruru players will always wait for a (adouken) chance to slide down with hcf+p or jump due her speed but a smart Ryu player will not shot adoukens all the time against a good nakoruru player.
Does nakoruru has a better anti-air game than Ryu? does her regular/special moves have bigger distance without opening the defense all the time then Ryu?
Do you guys play with her more on offense or defense game?