Speaking of downloading, the first match is more often than not the best time for a disadvantaged character to try to get that win. Because as a set goes on, both players are downloading each other. Meaning that the player with the advantaged character is also learning how to respond to their opponent. This is why, the best Japanese players are the ones who are able to read and download during the first round of the first match - they want to press their advantages early on before they themselves are downloaded.
Then by your logic you should have seen less mitsuru and more SLab in top 8.
Dumb comment; saying that Bo1 gives the disadvantaged character more of a chance than a Bo3 or Bo15 is not the same as saying that it turns bad matchups into good ones.
no. you said SLab has more of a favor than mitsuru in a bo1 because SLab is more uncommon.
SBO run on a bo1 format. so you should see more SLab than mitsuru by that logic.
SLab doesn’t have a better matchup because of Bo1, you’re just going to see more SLab’s than normal because the odds of winning the match is higher than it normally would be for her.
Again, claiming that a situation is favorable for me is not the same as claiming that the favorable situation creates a positive matchup.
If I sneak up on Tito Ortiz and sucker punch him, that is a favorable situation for me, but it doesn’t change the fact that he is going to turn around and kick the shit out of me afterward.
As a final note, the “upper tier” characters took up ~72% of SBO, but represented only 50% of the top8. It would be a lot more expected for them to represent 7/8 or 8/8 if the matches went longer, that’s merely common sense.
The problem with this line of thinking is that it assumes that tournament results are solely determined by statistics when we know that isn’t the case. Quite frankly I dislike the idea of a statistical match up chart anyway because it is so inherently flawed, and often becomes a distraction for players when looking at the strength or weakness of a character. Unfortunately it’s the best we have so what can you do?
I think some of you are downplaying the skill of Denpa and Himajin and others tbqh.
Nobody’s doing that, but this is a tier list thread, and some people are suggesting that SBO results ought to be looked at to adjust the tier list (because SBO is sacred or something). Frankly, no one tournament should be used in this fashion, but especially not a tournament that uses Bo1 as its format since the results are incredibly random. I was just stating that in terms of SBO results, Naoto/Akihiko greatly overperformed and Yu/Aigis/Chi greatly underperformed.
If you only look at top8 then you can come to those conclusions. 9 chie/yu/aegis qualified vs 1 naoto. I would argue that naoto underperformed. I would also argue that akihiko performence was just right. On the tier list he is placed as A tier. 4 qualified sounds about right. SBO was brought up because people were discussing that akihiko is actually bottom tier. I agree that no 1 tournament should be used to represent the tier list. Unfortunately SBO is the only tournament that is relevent in tier list discussions at the moment.
The world outside of Japan just isn’t qualified to make matchup judgements yet; we still have the token grappler frequently winning tournaments.
That’s not a logical conclusion. Infinitely more top players play top tier characters, that’s why more of them qualified. Only when they’re facing each other should you reach any assertions about how a high-level matchup plays out.
And you don’t think top Kanji’s and naoto’s played against top mitsu/aeigis/chie/yu in the qualifiers? They did. And they lost.
Arguing with you is difficult because you don’t understand anything. If there are 8x as many people playing a character, 8x as many of that character will qualify. Japanese players choose characters based on tier a lot more prevalently than American players, so you really don’t see a lot of Kanjis and Naotos who are good.
Stop looking at it from one game’s POV only. The Japanese format has, time and again proven that it does help lower tier players place higher than they would in the US format.
You’re the one that doesn’t understand. You’re completely ignoring the players that qualified for sbo and just looking at top8.
@d3v by saying that, you’re degrading everyone that has done well at sbo.
Yes, we should ignore an obvious, well documented, statistical advantage because it’s “degrading.” In any case, taking advantage of such an advantage is all part of the game and playing to win.
This isn’t what I meant when I thought of “Discussion”. GJ fuckshits, you know who you are.
I’d like to be there during the discussion between you and jwong about his win in mvc3. Say exaclty the same thing. “The Japanese format has, time and again proven that it does help lower tier players place higher than they would in the US format.”
Just because it helps, doesn’t mean that it always happens…