2 liz
1 kanji
1 lab
1 naoto
1 yosuke
That’s no surprise. That’s pretty much the consensus on low tier right? Naoto is a bit of a surprise but I guess that is due to smp loop being discovered after everyone qualified.
Where can I find the results for SBO that goes beyond the top 8? I’m curious how well the 3 S.lab players did.
Can anyone tell me what options 'Liz has against Teddie rushing her down? Yesterday at casuals, my friend said that he felt like it he was going up against the twins in AE 2011 when up against my Teddie.
Even with the SMP loop I feel as though Naoto still belongs in the lower end of the tier list(bottom 3 imo). It doesn’t really fix her match up issues or her flaws. It does however give her a great comeback factor and something your opponent to be afraid of.
Is it really? I thought Kanji was looking real strong now in the hands of American grapplers, and I do not see how Yosuke can be considered so low.
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Because you can do more for less with other characters.
While this is probably true(for about 3 other characters) Yosuke isn’t a low tier character. He’s usually placed high up on the tier lists.
Ugh. That seems to be a common theme with any character I pick in any fighter. Maybe I should swallow my pride and use Mitsuru to relive my Kaijin no Soki days.
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lol at least there was one good player
Mitsuru only really has 2 lopsided (7:3) matchups in her favor, the rest are mostly 6:4s and a couple of 4:6s.
Why do you care so much about tier lists? No offense, but unless you’re competing at a really high level, the tiers will never affect your gameplay in any form. You’re going to lose because you’re not leveling up your own game, not because your character is low tier or whatever.
Yeah, it is a bad habit. I have no online or PvP for some time, so I spend too much time looking at high level play and tactics while I myself am still working the basics. Just a little frustrated that it seems in games my favorite characters end up being “less for more,” and it is more irksome here in an anime game where character loyalty carries from something else. Liz is my favoritest, but I am too afraid to touch her: mostly for HP, also because I could never do those mind into dia combos.
So SBO was the last big Japan thing. What and when is the next big American thing for P4A? I expect the character proportions to be quite different.
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I agree. Naoto really only rushes down against the other zoners (IE the low tier characters) so getting a hit suitable for the loops isn’t going to be common enough for it to really bump her up. Makes her stronger against other low tiers but doesn’t really help against the characters that already give her major problems. I can’t really see you ever getting an SMP-worthy confirm on a Yosuke, for example.
would like to know how well liz fares against naoto usually (and i know im novice) i usually have to rush down naoto with liz hard to zone
also was wondering how teddie fares against people that turtle him / don’t press buttons
i mean you have no reason to block high except for his overhead which can be reacted to fairly easy
Liz vs. Naoto is pretty even, at a glance. Possibly in Liz’s favour, because Naoto’s normals are just so mediocre. Traps don’t work on Liz, but Liz can’t use Zio against Naoto’s R-Action or gunshot.
It doesn’t matter if Teddie’s high/low mixup is non-existent really. His cross-up and pressure game is really good and locking people down with items/Teddievision keeps them pretty honest. Also, keep in mind that his items can just as easily be used for zoning as they are for getting in. Teddie has no problem running away or playing rushdown, it just depends on the match-up and what items are available.
I’d put it a little bit in Liz’s favor. Naoto’s best bet is to rush her down, since all of Naoto’s zoning tools require some frames to set up Liz can just Disruptor through them. I usually just super jump over her and lay a trap; either Liz gets caught and you can get some hits in or she blocks it and you get a mix up.
Disruptor is useless in the Liz v. Naoto matchup. The Naoto player can easily B+D~6X on reaction to slow disruptor, and the fast one is “eat a full combo on block” levels of unsafe.
…Well shit. I always seem to blank out on the properties of Shield of Justice, I need to incorporate that more. Forget I said anything. >.>
Disruptor is actually a bad move…it’s easy for lower level players to want to use it but it’s something that should generally be avoided if you want to get better with Elizabeth. It’s punishable on the startup by many things, and you don’t get much out of someone blocking it.
Same goes for her R-action, the risk/reward is way against her for attempting it.
Is disruptor Zio?
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