Complete Oro Thread

[aku]

Is this a useful video? Updates coming soon. I have been pondering how to re-organize the more complicated sections, like combos, since I don’t like how they are right now.

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Ohhhh man that was good.

[Diaper_Bomb]

Detective Diaper Bomb here. I’m calling for a cease and desist on this thread of the offender JWanggg!

He is a repeat scrub offender and also he don’t know shit about 3S!

Your compliance is much appreciated.

Diaper Bomb out.

[CRITICALSHOT]

Detective Diaper Bomb here. I’m calling for a cease and desist on this thread of the offender JWanggg!

He is a repeat scrub offender and also he don’t know shit about 3S!

Your compliance is much appreciated.

Diaper Bomb out.

EXPOSED…

[jwangggg]

I’m pretty sure this is a bait to get me angry enough to play Marvel. I’m not falling for it.

[fire_chocobo]

I’m pretty sure this is a bait to get me angry enough to play Marvel.

I’m pretty sure he means it. Imo what you should do is get a camera, money match this clown, and then post the vids in this thread. That way everybody can see this fool get DEALT WITH!

Btw Oro-Sama, why are the twins okay/cool for Oro to fight, but Urien is kind of a bad matchup?

Tier Lists Data:
Oro – Urien: 5-5 (2007), 5-5 (2005) 5-5 (2002)
Oro – Yang: 4-6 (2007), 4-6 (2005), 4-6 (2002)
Oro – Yun: 3-7 (2007), 3-7 (2005), 3-7 (2002)
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P.S. Why haven’t u made a complete Elena thread yet?

[jwangggg]

I’m pretty sure he means it. Imo what you should do is get a camera, money match this clown, and then post the vids in this thread. That way everybody can see this fool get DEALT WITH!

Btw Oro-Sama, why are the twins okay/cool for Oro to fight, but Urien is kind of a bad matchup?

Tier Lists Data:
Oro – Urien: 5-5 (2007), 5-5 (2005) 5-5 (2002)
Oro – Yang: 4-6 (2007), 4-6 (2005), 4-6 (2002)
Oro – Yun: 3-7 (2007), 3-7 (2005), 3-7 (2002)
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P.S. Why haven’t u made a complete Elena thread yet?

The twins/Urien matchups are my personal opinion based on experience, match vids I’ve seen, and theory fighter(lol). I don’t have much experience vs Yun, and only a little more against Urien I suppose, but I’ve fought Yang a reasonable number of times.

One of my reasons for twins being decent vs Oro is that I can’t justify calling characters with such small stun bars bad matches for Oro. He can stun them in four hits. Four hits which will leave them at less than 50% life. He also has the air grab, which does a lot of damage when you predict a dive kick, leaving the twins to their ground options. Oro also has 2 and 3 frame start up attacks that help alleviate pressure from their fast moves and tics to command grab when they are close.

Maybe it’s just that the only Urien players I’ve fought are really good, but I think Oro has a difficult time using his normal strategies to deal damage to Urien. Many of his normals that I like to use frequently in most match-ups, like st. MK, st. HK, and cr MK, do not seem to fit in when I fight Urien because his normals have a very long range, forcing Oro to use some of his moves with a lot of recovery, like cr. MP. It seems like Urien would have a bit of a tough time using miscellaneous headbutt setups with Oro’s height and dash causing him to fly well over Oro’s head, but if the player knows the match-up, they won’t be throwing out random headbutts anyway. Oro is also lacking a big punish for blocked tackles, even when fully metered. Don’t forget to buffer towards parries once in a while to catch those tackles! I think Oro’s strength in this match-up lies (as I said before) in abusing his short height, getting out of range of Urien’s normals and whiffing moves that his random tackles will run into (cr. MK), and play VERY patiently. Urien will probably have a tough time dealing with Oro’s close moves like the dreaded MP or cl LK, but it can be hard to get that close to him. My biggest advice would be to BE PATIENT, and wait for your moment

Again, this is just my opinion. Feel free to voice another one.

[Diaper_Bomb]

Yessssss it worked! i drew out fire chocobo! I AM the master-baiter!

Keep up the good work on da thread jjjwanggg. I’ll prob rip this off and make an Alex version of this thread when I have a spare moment between poundin scrubs!

[jwangggg]

Added match up data written by ThyAllMighty and myself/Hungbee on Dudley and Urien respectively. I will add a lot to at least one other section by Thursday at 11:59pm. Stay tuned!

[DevilJin_01]

The funny thing is that 15 frame start up for a command normal overhead is still pretty good if that’s what the frames on his s.HP is. I believe the fastest overhead in SFIV is either the exact same speed or even slower. 15 frames start up on an overhead is still pretty quick especially considering it’s a double hit overhead which means if the opponents wants to parry it down they have to parry 2 hits so it works well as a parry killer every now and then also.

[jwangggg]

The funny thing is that 15 frame start up for a command normal overhead is still pretty good if that’s what the frames on his s.HP is. I believe the fastest overhead in SFIV is either the exact same speed or even slower. 15 frames start up on an overhead is still pretty quick especially considering it’s a double hit overhead which means if the opponents wants to parry it down they have to parry 2 hits so it works well as a parry killer every now and then also.

Yeah it’s a good move, but you definitely can’t get predictable with it. You have to set it up a little more than his UOH, which is also a good overhead.

[aku]

All I know about his HP overhead is that it’s awesome during Tengu…it’s pretty easy to react to, though. Only way you can’t see it is if you’re not familiar with the Oro matchup.

[fire_chocobo]

Oro’s s.hp has 17 frames of startup according to the Brady guide, which I would consider relatively unspectacular. For comparison Akuma, Alex, Ryu, and Urien all have 14 frame overheads. Dudley’s is 12.

Uoh alone does like a jab’s worth of damage. But it can be worthwhile in certain situations such as during Tengu. Or, after a command grab, the opponent cannot quickstand allowing you to setup a meaty uoh > cl.mk x hp command grab.

[NoMoreFunland]

I’ve tried to start learning oro over the last while. What vexes me at this moment is his ground/chip game with tengu. Should I use 3 or 5 stones? How do I keep from getting interrupted by random moves?
One time I saw a vid of Dirty or Inoue or Thanatos do a 23 hit combo with tengu on the ground. Best moves to string together?

Also, I love the tengu juggle stun combo for chun, Q, elena but is there anything close to that for the rest of the cast?

[jwangggg]

I’ve tried to start learning oro over the last while. What vexes me at this moment is his ground/chip game with tengu. Should I use 3 or 5 stones? How do I keep from getting interrupted by random moves?
One time I saw a vid of Dirty or Inoue or Thanatos do a 23 hit combo with tengu on the ground. Best moves to string together?

Also, I love the tengu juggle stun combo for chun, Q, elena but is there anything close to that for the rest of the cast?

I’m a little unclear on exactly what your question is, but I’m glad you asked it, because now I’m forced to write the Tengu Stones section of the thread. Oh and the combo I think you’re talking about that works on Chun, Q, Elena also works on Necro and I think someone else… Maybe Oro?

Check back in a couple hours.

EDIT:: Okay added to the Advanced/Misc section to answer your question. Lemme know if I left anything out or didn’t answer your question.

[jwangggg]

SAIII: This is the preferred super vs most of the cast and to be a good Oro player you MUST learn to use the Tengu Stones well. The stones do chip damage and create custom combos, and unblockables. Choosing to activate the regular or EX version often comes down to player preference, match-up, and life lead/spacing at the moment you activate. NEVER LOSE WITH YOUR METER IF YOU ARE PLAYING THIS SUPER. During activation, Oro is fireball invulnerable except for Remy’s LOVs (I need to test this more though).

I will refer to the objects he gets as “toys.” Sometimes (on arcade version) the Tengu Stones go crazy and start hitting the opponent even when Oro is knocked down, and other times do not actually fly away when the timer is up. Usually, these anomalies are in Oro’s favor

The toys- Human head sized rock, space ship, piece of a building, animal cracker, and brick. Make sure you are careful if you get any bricks, since they tend to drop you combos and don’t make your moves as safe as the other toys, so play a little safer if you get a couple bricks.

Regular version- Oro will summon three random toys with a long timer. This is better for chip damage and some ghetto crossup unblockables because of how long the timer lasts. This version doesn’t get big combos, like the EX variety, but, it can still deal a lot of damage because of chip. It is good to activate near the end of a round if Oro has no other hope of winning.

EX version- Oro will summon five random toys with a significantly shorter timer. This is what leads to most of Oro’s damaging combos, and is used in his 100%'s. It does decent chip and sets up unblockables, but not as well as the regular Tengu Stones. It is most useful during a combo, but can still be good as a raw activation.
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I made a couple of really basic tutorials on SAIII. I may make better tutorials some day, if they are requested. This one covers some EX Tengu, and this one covers mostly regular Tengu.

Choosing which Tengu to use:
This is highly based on player preference, and I see EX and regular stones activated in all sorts of ways. In general, I’d recommend using EX stones during a combo, or if you have full meter and Oro is punishing, simply 2 hit MP xxx Stones (then juggle appropriately). I opt to use non-ex stones out of combo a lot of the time unless it’s a situation where the enemy has a lot of life, the timer is going to run out, and I’m almost dead. I really just like having the option to juggle more. The EX stones don’t last very long, so they are the worse choice if Oro is trying to chip the opponent to death.

Regular SAIII (3 stones): This is good for chipping opponents and keeping presence on the fight for a while. The stones last a really long time. Usually you want to activated non-EX stones after a backthrow or sweep that leaves the opponent cornered. Try to activated just before they land to mess up their meaty timing. You can also cancel into stones after throwing a fireball to make them safe to use, since there is recovery. Don’t just randomly use them. Stones make meaties very easy; all Oro needs to do is whiff a move and let the stones hit as the opponent gets up, and he can block. Make sure that when applying pressure, you don’t just mash light kick and walk forwards. The stones don’t hit as often as Genei Jin shadows, most of them attack every other move that Oro does. So you kind of stutter like… lk (walk forwards with stones), lk (walk forwards with stones), cr lk… If Oro pushes himself out of block range, he can whiff a st. LK, then UOH while the stones are out to hop back into attacking range.

With non EX stones out, there is a way to deal decent damage that isn’t from chip, and really keeps the opponent on the edge (which I covered in the video linked above); UOH, cr MKxxx command grab. This really makes your opponent not want to just block low the whole time because this easy combo causes a lot of damage and an untechable knockdown.

Usually for pressure, Oro uses far LK, close LK, cr LK, and UOH during Tengu since they are fast.

Another little note about regular Tengu is that I prefer it as a raw activation over EX very much in the Urien and Chun-Li match up. Urien doesn’t really have fast reversals he can sneak in between attacks in case you mess up your timing, or the set of stones messes you up, so Oro can often times get max damage off of non-EX Tengu here. Against Chun, EX stones out of combo tend to be bad because most sets of stones do not allow Oro to activate, then UOH linked to MP for juggles, so I just go for chip and try to get her to burn meter for EX legs to make Oro go weeeeeeeeeee across the screen.

EX SAIII (5 stones): EX stones is the one that grants Oro his big combos. In the corner, all Oro has to do is continually roundhouse until the timer runs out, then combo into his bnb chicken dance to build back some meter. Mid screen there are a couple combos most Oro players use:

(Assuming the opponent is in air either from jumping or after being launched) jump HK, land, juggle w/ cl MK, repeat. If the opponent seems like the next jump HK is going to get hit too far away, use toward MP in place of jump HK. Just try it a few times in trianing mode to get the ranges down. It’s kind of hard to describe because his combos are all stone specific and there are 3125 combinations of stones.

The other mid screen juggle is roundhouse, toward MP, roundhouse, toward MP… Same thing where if the next roundhouse is going to miss, use a toward MP instead like the other mid screen juggle. I recommend this one for shotos, since sometimes the land, cl MK causes them to start being juggled in the wrong direction based on how close to them Oro is. But really, just use whichever combo you are comfortable with. Both of these combos work on the whole case.

If you do choose to or are forced to use EX Tengu Stones you of combo, you CAN lead to a big Oro juggle. Use UOH linked to cl MP to put the opponent in a juggle state, or use Oro’s cr HK to start a juggle, then usually do one jab before the roundhouse for timing purposes; the start up of jab is much faster, so characters that fall quickly will not drop to the ground very often if the first attack is a jab. Again, this timing may be odd at first, so you gotta spend two quarters when no one else is at the arcade to get dat training in… Or are you playing on 3so? What!!!

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[NoMoreFunland]

Just to clarify, bear with me,

I was asking these questions about grounded Tengu attacks.
-regular or EX to get best options (basically answered: regular seems best)
-types of attacks and timing to avoid interruptions (basically answered: lk, cl.lk, cr.lk, UOH and leave gaps for stones to hit, don’t mash)

-is it very difficult to pull of a big grounded combo like Thanatos does in the SBO4 vid you’ve listed above (he uses EX I think)?
-is anything like that possible with regular tengu on the ground?

Dizzy juggles with EX Tengu.
-best juggle/s to dizzy the cast other than chun, Q, elena and necro? I feel like at mid screen the f.mp, st.hk juggle combo does better dizzy than the j.hk, cl.mk juggle, for example.

Thanks jwangggg, you’ve been very helpful. It’s so nice to have a complete character thread with all the info organized at the beginning into categories.

[Tebbo]

Chicken combo builds crazy meter.

[Red_venom]

The funny thing is that 15 frame start up for a command normal overhead is still pretty good if that’s what the frames on his s.HP is. I believe the fastest overhead in SFIV is either the exact same speed or even slower. 15 frames start up on an overhead is still pretty quick especially considering it’s a double hit overhead which means if the opponents wants to parry it down they have to parry 2 hits so it works well as a parry killer every now and then also.

in my opinion the better you get and the higher level your competition the less you will use his s.hp. Even in tengu strings its big weakness is the startup, it will be blocked or someone might just be doing something to get out of your tengu and you lose valuable damage. Very low value move considering how slow it is and if someone parries the first hit chances are they will do the 2nd hit, there is no danger of you cancelling it or anything and the recovery isn’t fast. I’d especially not use it as a meaty move with any regularity

[jwangggg]

Just to clarify, bear with me,

I was asking these questions about grounded Tengu attacks.
-regular or EX to get best options (basically answered: regular seems best)
-types of attacks and timing to avoid interruptions (basically answered: lk, cl.lk, cr.lk, UOH and leave gaps for stones to hit, don’t mash)

http://youtu.be/r2gPIjlxUI8?t=2m20s
-is it very difficult to pull of a big grounded combo like Thanatos does in the SBO4 vid you’ve listed above (he uses EX I think)?
-is anything like that possible with regular tengu on the ground?

Dizzy juggles with EX Tengu.
-best juggle/s to dizzy the cast other than chun, Q, elena and necro? I feel like at mid screen the f.mp, st.hk juggle combo does better dizzy than the j.hk, cl.mk juggle, for example.

Thanks jwangggg, you’ve been very helpful. It’s so nice to have a complete character thread with all the info organized at the beginning into categories.

First off, thanks for the praise, and thanks for choosing Oro! That ground combo thing is pretty specific and it’s not something I’ve ever attempted in a match. I’m sure it’s stone/character specific. Really I think he might have been just trying to apply pressure with the LKs, but then when he got close and saw that Yun was still getting comboed, he did target combo into command grab.

Mid screen juggles don’t really deal a lot of stun. The way you get stun during Tengu juggles is a specific range thing. Look at the vid I posted of the Chun 100% and notice how he hits with the very tip of his foot; this is what grants the most stun damage. A reset is also required because after a few hits of chicken dance, the stun damage scaling is pretty rough.

in my opinion the better you get and the higher level your competition the less you will use his s.hp. Even in tengu strings its big weakness is the startup, it will be blocked or someone might just be doing something to get out of your tengu and you lose valuable damage. Very low value move considering how slow it is and if someone parries the first hit chances are they will do the 2nd hit, there is no danger of you cancelling it or anything and the recovery isn’t fast. I’d especially not use it as a meaty move with any regularity

Yeah. I think I made it sound like I think it’s better than it is. It’s a move you won’t use very often, but it can pay off since you set it up differently than Oro’s other overhead options.

[CRITICALSHOT]

Good work jwangggg, keep it up.

I have a couple of lazy picks I took after work of my Oro arcade stick:

I don’t think the green buttons look right? I need to get the green bezel to make it look better and the last 2 buttons I want to get in all black, but (the buttons/bezel) were sold out. I will take suggestions on a better button color or any ideas…