Complete "How to Change the Music in MVC2 + How to make your game selfboot" Thread

[JonnyQuest]

Random thoughts after seeing hits and misses at Final Round:

• We need a program / tool to check audio levels. My own mix fails because the audio is too loud and drowns out the sound effects at times. This is a fairly common problem. The first mix on the left I could not even tell what the hell was going on half the time because I could not hear the effects at all. I got punished for being more attentive to the audio cues that just weren’t there. =\
• Don’t bring broken/buggy mixes to tournaments. Flashing Storm and buggy Sent drones are bad. Cyclop’s kick being broken is kind of OK. Cyclops changing color all the time is bad.
• Custom special moves are OK if they blend. But the really big changes take away from the game if you’re not used to playing on them.

I would strongly suggest that custom special colors be banned from tournaments.
i noticed some of my colors were just too much, blinding reds and blues… yuck.

I’m thinking it would be a good idea to have a “verify extras” check built into PalMod to make sure people don’t have buggy Storms, Cyclops, etc. Buggy extras just make all of your hard work look bad. :sad:

no your shit owned simply because you had michael jackson just beat it on there… shit was killer!! lmao…

my sound was awful… guess i shoulda play tested it… although mine was played at the tournament, it was played during casuals. zach did you get a copy? i’ll hit you guys up on aim after i fix all the glitches and normalize the colors… and also redo the music with sony vegas… fuck audacity, i’m gonna mess with a real deal audio program… dunno which one… any sugguestions on what is top dollar?

[TS]

The best possible intro song to MvC2 is Whoomp There it Is by Tag Team.

I am completely fucking serious.

Please try this.

[icemanual]

Even with attempts at normalization, everything wasn’t exactly at the same levels, so the proffered solutions still wouldn’t reach the “all songs perfectly leveled to existing game sound levels” solution really needed to have things rocking fully.
I have yet to hear a perfectly leveled Marvel mix. My kudos to those of you who have produced one. It would seem interesting to have something that could reliably take any given song and perfectly normalize it for Marvel.

EDIT: As regards “increasing the volume so much”, you’re ignoring the lack of precision available currently. “Increase volume by 15%” or so just doesn’t give you precise/great results - the levels are uneven and certain stages play differently as a result. =\

Yeah preppy, no matter how much i raise the volume by on the Clocktower stage music file it always stays at a very low volume level :sad: any idea on why this happens?

[Pablo_the_Mex]

I have actually used normalized mp3s, but the results are not that much better. This whole deal where people turn their tracks up 25% is retarded, and that is why there are so many mixes out there that come across terribly when filmed. I have gotten some of my tracks pretty close after a bunch of trial and error.

[Deth-Scyanyde]

Well until a solution is set as to finalizing music tracks in marvel a temporary solution (albeit it’ll cost you at least 2 CD-R’s at minimum…depending on how precise the creator is) is to put the tracks/custom colors and burn a copy. Playtest EVERY changed aspect in your version (noting any glitched palettes and low volume tracks…yes, even the bass on certain tracks) and then fix all that on the second copy (I will emphasize this, Bass Reducer!!). Should be fine afterward, just freeball the volume increase depending on how low the first set was and there you go…method works for me 100% ov the time…

chadoken: There is no volume settings in the DC version…only PS2…so you semi-fail…lol.

Team Random: Is it by any chance the pirate ship theme from DKC2? Heh, reminds me ov DOOM.

[System_1]

Well until a solution is set as to finalizing music tracks in marvel a temporary solution (albeit it’ll cost you at least 2 CD-R’s at minimum…depending on how precise the creator is) is to put the tracks/custom colors and burn a copy. Playtest EVERY changed aspect in your version (noting any glitched palettes and low volume tracks…yes, even the bass on certain tracks) and then fix all that on the second copy (I will emphasize this, Bass Reducer!!). Should be fine afterward, just freeball the volume increase depending on how low the first set was and there you go…method works for me 100% ov the time…

chadoken: There is no volume settings in the DC version…only PS2…so you semi-fail…lol.

Team Random: Is it by any chance the pirate ship theme from DKC2? Heh, reminds me ov DOOM.

No way… an aspect of the PS2 version that’s actually better than DC… well, my bad, I haven’t played the DC ver. in years…

BTW what does make DC version the best?? How’s it closer to the arcade ver.?? (Not arguing about which is best, just wondering…)

[SF_PHOCUS]

The best possible intro song to MvC2 is Whoomp There it Is by Tag Team.

I am completely fucking serious.

Please try this.

lol haha i used the whistle song from kill bill as the character select screen

and for the ice stage i used that song from the jetta commercial… where the guy RTSD to the wedding lol
J Ralph a million miles away

[SuupaBuu]

Hey Preppy, I have a question.

I’m stuck on figuring out how to process the tint on certain characters (for now, gief). What would be the best way to program this? The way that I am processing this is by adding red values to some of his palette indexes, and it’s not working out. :shake:

Still checking if there’s an algorithm though…

[System_1]

Alright I have a important question:

I played my Iso in a ps2 emulator (never burned a custom yet) and the music is all switched around! Like, the capcom logo sound plays at the vs. screen, ranking music plays in the 1st stage…wtf…
I think someone had an issue like this before, not sure if it was answered… but anyways YES I named all the songs correctly. Do you have to import them back into the AFS01.afs file in some particular order? Or am I missing something really obvious?

Thanks in advance guys!

[Preppy]

Hey Preppy, I have a question.

I’m stuck on figuring out how to process the tint on certain characters (for now, gief). What would be the best way to program this? The way that I am processing this is by adding red values to some of his palette indexes, and it’s not working out. :shake:

Still checking if there’s an algorithm though…

I was looking into this a bit ago, I’ll look back into it. If you have any current samples/snippets, that might help guide what I’m looking for. I’ll probably base my solution off of the current Gief->Gief Red coloring done by game. I’ll try to look into this by Sunday. :tup:

Also, I was thinking that it would be valuable to have a descriptive string for any given palette so that at face value you knew what that extra was for, just reusing eidrian’s work/strings here. That was something small I thought I could potentially add after you finish your current great work.

[GOLDN-NZ]

now thats tite shit MAGNETRO!!! :tup:

man if we could have an “encyclocpedia” of character colors that would be so fockin bomb biggity dope! :bgrin:

come on guys lets send all “good” color characters schemes into magnetro!

If anyone wants to share and ‘preserve’ their colors, you can send them to me and I’ll update this page http://zachd.com/magnetro/if/cc/colorcodes.html | Thanks to TS and Combomasher for assisting with the very tedious update. So, I’ve been talking to doc about making a template for everyone to follow should they decide to share and send me their colors. I was thinking of putting a x2 image of the default stance and a 480x320 image filled with as many extras pictures as you can possibly fit. If anyone besides doc is interested, message on AIM or PM me. Finished colors with extras are most preferred since I want to upload good color edits only.

[System_1]

:lovin: Yeah. Everybody, start posting pallets and JPG’s. Pallets anyone?

[icemanual]

So how do I donate colors/codes? Just post with a pic? On the Topic?
Bleh.

[ComboMasher]

I guess just post your color codes here, unless someone wants to make a new thread. But if you are gonna take a screen cap just press ALT+Print screen with the palmod preview window selected, open up ms paint and save it as a png

[Magnetro]

:lovin: Yeah. Everybody, start posting pallets and JPG’s. Pallets anyone?

So how do I donate colors/codes? Just post with a pic? On the Topic?
Bleh.

…

I started updating the page I made a few days ago. I haven’t gotten through all the characters but here are the ones I did some updates for: Hulk, Sentinel, and Iron Man. Thats pretty much the template imma try to follow for putting up characters and their color codes. I haven’t gotten to any characters with edited specials yet so I dont know how i’ll do those people yet, i’ll figure it out once i get there.

I’d rather not put ‘quick’ edits as it takes forever to update stuff since people don’t take screenshots. If you do want me to add them please WORK on them and include pictures (like geronimo did).

ok whatever. if there are others that want to contribute their colors let me know.

you guys should try using this program http://www.mirekw.com/winfreeware/mwsnap.html for taking screen shots (png format) like the ones on the site. it saves me time in updating the html code

People need to learn to use png’s and drop jpgs once and for all. All those artifacts are like a million needles to the eye…

If you guys wanna contribute colors still and are willing to put effort in, here’s an example of the HTML code used on my site. Filling it out (even partially) would help a lot as there are 56 ppl in marvel

Purple/Yellow Iron Man by <b>Preppy</b>
<br>
<img src="ironman/ironman_purpleyellow_preppy.png">
<br>
(#10000F000F999F939F818F506F304F111F000F222FFF9FFE0FFC0FE80FB60FEB0) 
<hr>

The top row is the title of the color and the character and who made it.

the third row is what you need to write for the screenshot

the fifth row is the code from palmod

First thing: i dont really care what color scheme you’re doing, just as long as it looks like you put some work into it.

1st way:write the html code.
2nd way: take a screenshot like the one i have on my site (where you dont see the OS, just the bg and the sprite).
3rd way: just post the color code and i’ll get to them eventually. i’m stockpiling the colors and will update the site when black pyro gives me a new version with some features I asked for. if you have extras you want me to post up I’ll get to them when i get the new palmod from black pyro sometime.

finally if you have a copy of something that’s on my site already: 1) it has to be way better for me to take the other one down. 2). I’m not gonna use it.

Yeah… It’s mostly cause people here are fucking stupid when it comes to that kind of stuff. I’m just waiting for SuupaBuu to make a palmod update for idiots.

:amazed::amazed::amazed:

[SuupaBuu]

I was looking into this a bit ago, I’ll look back into it. If you have any current samples/snippets, that might help guide what I’m looking for. I’ll probably base my solution off of the current Gief->Gief Red coloring done by game. I’ll try to look into this by Sunday. :tup:

Also, I was thinking that it would be valuable to have a descriptive string for any given palette so that at face value you knew what that extra was for, just reusing eidrian’s work/strings here. That was something small I thought I could potentially add after you finish your current great work.

Cool. :tup:

It’s easier to do it a simple way but it’ll be great if we could figure it out. The only characters I have to worry about on this tint situation are a couple (and red is the only one done by gief).

[icemanual]

If you guys wanna contribute colors still and are willing to put effort in, here’s an example of the HTML code used on my site. Filling it out (even partially) would help a lot as there are 56 ppl in marvel

Purple/Yellow Iron Man by <b>Preppy</b>
<br>
<img src="ironman/ironman_purpleyellow_preppy.png">
<br>
(#10000F000F999F939F818F506F304F111F000F222FFF9FFE0FFC0FE80FB60FEB0) 
<hr>

The top row is the title of the color and the character and who made it.

the third row is what you need to write for the screenshot

the fifth row is the code from palmod

So for that just upload the pic of the edited shot in palmod w/o the OS on it, type the name in and put the link code in the img part? last but not least add the color code

[Preppy]

It would be good to the have the GroupBox title be “Edit RGB for IDn” so I know which ID I’m looking at, since the caption for the display box captures the mouseover, not the current selection.

After looking at it through analyzing the RGB fluctuations on ID01-07, there’s no apparent set math nor trackable consistency here, at least in isolation. This is most notable against ID01 (chin), where the math sets (for 15%, 35%, 75% FAB vs default color) are:
LP/LK/HP: (-1,-2,- ; +2,-2,- ; +1, -2, -)
HK: ( -, -1, - ; -1, -2, -; -2, -2, - )
A1/A2: (-2, -2, x ; -2, -2, -; -2, -2, -)
, yet all are (4,2,0) initially.

If you want to analyze it as color strings, it seems like you could just reuse the existing math for the tint for LP/LK pale, HP red, HK tan, A1/A2 black, LP mech-purple, LK mech-blue, HP mech-red, HK mech-green, A1 mech-seablue, and A2 mech-dark-blue. But that leaves anything custom out in the cold. In that case, it might make sense to just reuse one of existing transitions:

Using more or less the LP/LK color transitions would be:
ID01: (-1,-2,-2;+2,-2,-2;+1,-2,-2)
ID02: (+1,-3,-2;+3,-7,-6;+5,-10,-12)
ID03: (+1,-4,-2;+2,-7,-5;+3,-10,-9)
ID04: (+1,-5,-3;+1,-6,-4;-2,-8,-6)
ID05: ( ,-5,-3;+1,-5,-3;-1,-6,-4)
ID06: (-1,-5,-2; ,-5,-2;-2,-4,-2)
ID07: (-3,-3,-1;-1,-3,-1;-2,-3,-1)
which starting with the dark-blue mech gives this transition for ID01-07:
def: (#(F000F16AF145F034F023F011F000)
15%: (#(F000F239F203F101F000F000F000)
35%: (#(F200F404F300F100F100F000F000)
75%: (#(F100F600F400F000F000F000F000)
or starting with a Spider-man colored gief:
def: (#(F800FF80FF60FF30FD00FB00F800)
15%: (#(F700FF50FF20FF00FD00FA00F500)
35%: (#(FA00FF10FF00FF00FE00FB00F700)
75%: (#(F900FF00FF00FD00FC00F900F600)
or with a Hulk gief:
def: (#(F050F6F0F0D0F0B0F090F070F050)
15%: (#(F000F7C0F190F160F040F020F020)
35%: (#(F230F980F260F150F140F020F020)
75%: (#(F130FB50F330F030F030F030F020)

I don’t know, that doesn’t kill me. I think that works OK for a starting point. It’d be cool to check against the known skin blends (the existing 10 skin shades) and auto-shade those if people are just copying those, but I’d think the basic LP/LK-esque math above should produce pretty livable results generally, as generally seen here.

[Magnetro]

So for that just upload the pic of the edited shot in palmod w/o the OS on it, type the name in and put the link code in the img part? last but not least add the color code

Yes. the color code is important

[System_1]

Cant wait for “PalMod For Dummies” to come out. Pallets anyone? :wonder::wonder: