Haven’t watched much of him. Just that its obvious ChrisGs Guile would never get the level of Dies or Dus either way. I also doubt ChrisG would solely go through a major tournament with Guile for very long. Probably just using him for fun until another DLC rolls around or just goes back to Nash
Ill watch some of his stream stuff later but still rather wait for the true kings of the wall to put him together
Valmaster seems to be getting the hang of Chun. Like what I saw so far. Luffy was playing a bit off and throwing v skills for im not sure what reason. His close game is not as clean as Marns. When Marn gets near you you get opened up unless you v reversal or guess right.
Ill see if I can find those matches of J.Wongs Guile vs Riceatas Chun at Canada Cup. He played a solid defensive Guile that kept Chun out
Thought Valmaster said Chun is too boring for him now?
Top players always say things
The go1 alioune mirror match went to prove how much alioune is in need of practicing against good players. He Wasn’t keeping up with go1 reshuffling the distance between them constantly. I’m trying to understand why everyone puts him on the highest pedestal, but I can’t.
Don’t try to understand, it’s not going to make sense.
I venture to say Go1 is the best Chun right now
He gave Nuki, whom I pegged as the best, a lot of trouble.
I felt he was the best theoretically, but I didn’t realize that his fundamentals/experience would be as shaky as they seem to be. I still feel he has the best overall execution or concepts for her, but yeah fundamentally there just seems to be better Chuns.
Just got done watching Alioune vs Xiao Hai and just a lot of stuff went wrong. Execution errors, not choosing to burn super or V Trigger when he easily could have, just small things like that really bit him.
Sako has potential, but I doubt he’s going to go out to enough things to really see. If Alioune really steps it up I still feel he could show everyone something crazy in the future. Go1 is the current best of fundamentals and execution for now. Which makes sense since he’s an anime game king.
Nuki still seems a bit shaky with the execution.
MOV took it Go1, don’t sleep on him.
Alioune is probably the best Chun imo. But he has issues when it comes to tournaments. He can’t always play well under pressure it seems. Still, I think he is the best/most complete Chun. His chun is optimized (always going for max damage in every situation), his neutral is good, his pressure is insane, he has a lot of matchup knowledge, etc.
After that is probably Go1. MOV and humanbomb are also on par (but humanbomb still is not optimizing as much as he can, hit confirms with jab combo’s and burning meter on EX legs when he doesn’t have to, LK SBK, etc). Sako is probably after these, he definitely has a lot of potential but he lacks some matchup knowledge. Nuki I feel is lacking a lot and is not really playing optimized at all.
Valmaster is playing Chun with day 1 tech, he’s one of the least optimized Chun’s I’ve ever seen (tech-wise), but his neutral is just so damn good that he still gets results. Can’t hate on the guy cause he’s an amazing player, but I hope his tech skill will catch up soon cause it’s sometimes cringeworthy to watch ;_;
Anyway, the game is still new, and Chun is a hard character to optimize and execution wise, so it’s difficult to always do everything perfect. Maybe not when playing casuals, but definitely when it comes to tournaments when stuff is on the line.
just my 2 cents
Yeah that’s why I’m still holding out for Theory Alioune getting out his tournament kinks and really showing people wuz up. He has most everything optimized with her tech wise, just needs to not be cursed by tournaments.
Valmaster playing like he does isn’t surprising. He most likely had a very big attachment to SFIV Chun and it’s tough going from one way you remember a character playing to another. Dieminion is having hardships on twitter about Guile as well and said he will continue to try to use him, but just doesn’t know if he’s that good or will stick with him. Luckily SFIV Chun was also pretty execution heavy so it shouldn’t be too long for Valmaster to pick up on Chun’s execution outside of just literally being lazy.
Im afraid tech, knowledge and optimization arent really as important in this game as it was in sf4. so the primary components that matter for a good player are neutral, spacing and matchup knowledge. in these areas , alioune severely falls short of the other chuns who are doing well in tournaments.
out of the chuns that attend tournaments, go1 clearly is the best and his sense of spacing is far above the other non japanese chuns, for them to stand a chance. mov and nuki are comparable to him in these areas, but need to take the game more seriously and work on bettering their execution and optimization.
but on the whole, sako and warboy seem to be the best chun players right now. they are strong in all of the areas and also pay attention to a lot of little situational nuances which makes them more fluid than the rest.
I remember sako saying that hes going to start travelling from evo after he gets enough time to feel confident in all of the matches. so i cant wait to see how it goes.
EDIT: and im not even judging based on results or who wins. there is just something awfully single dimensional about the way alioune and the other non asians play the groundgame. they are not mindful of the nuanced counter measures good players take to throw of their positions and spacings. its the same problem that non japanese players outside of john choi have always had with the fireball game.
so when im saying alioune is not holding up, im not talking about him winning or losing. even if he had beaten go1 by getting a few reads right, i still wouldnt have been convinced.
Can you go in more detail about the situational nuances and counter measures?
Tokyo Button Mashers
https://youtu.be/PQrZfbSvCWs
MOV vs Haitani
https://youtu.be/C2HvU0vZHlU
MOV vs Daigo
https://youtu.be/G-8HNcHnR_U
MOV vs Nemo
https://youtu.be/w2fVWYOF1YU
Go1 vs Shiro
https://youtu.be/bD0zcrY-Iw0
Go1 vs Daigo
https://youtu.be/vSgqrtK23gQ
Go1 vs Nemo
https://youtu.be/fe-iA73gwJg
Sako vs BabyNine
https://youtu.be/OjBfE1EFaa4
Sako vs Kazunoko
https://youtu.be/oM7drBkmpO4
Sako vs Ren
https://youtu.be/yOLhs6AEWwg
Nuki vs Hikarin
https://youtu.be/git2sZRCfYo
Nuki vs VX
https://youtu.be/v3WJgrZFKWI
Nuki vs Kazunoko
Taiwan Fighter Major
https://youtu.be/2_ikY4A8Rns
Sako vs Go1
https://youtu.be/rnSyLrb5g2w
Sako vs Bison?
https://youtu.be/TuarCevjVEY
Sako vs TaiwanDaimon
https://youtu.be/jI1JtjsY_0c
Sako vs Tokido
https://youtu.be/YQeAhOjHD4U
Sako vs Mago
Go1 matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUZOjSkLlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBe_00yRHi4&feature=youtu.be&t=2h39m53s (at 2 hours 40 minutes)