Chun-li Video/Discussion Thread

Mythos13x · August 4, 2011, 5:01am

Here’s my attempt at trying to learn the game, one step at a time. Take it easy on me, im kinda new at this, but please watch and help me out! Thanks.

(w/ commentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PInbzVbPC24

(w/o commentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhXl6NV67yk

Constructive criticism is welcome!

Paolochun · August 4, 2011, 5:18am

Most Hondas use non-EX hb’s as combo enders now. Ideally, you shouldn’t see obvious headbutts/outside of combos or certain punishes.

Loss/change of invincibility has forced them to use other means of anti-airing, and now they resort to other anti-airs (e.g. s.hp, nj hp, buttslam). Still use EX headbutts as reversals of course.

Ironreaver7 · August 4, 2011, 5:53am

I’ve played some good honda…and yea its not something to fancy but it works and even the best tend to throw one out just to see what you do to react to it…how i get most of them is that I let them get 2-3 before I start smacking them with strong and if i have super then its strong into super…but I do understand what your saying, for the most part they dont headbutt especially once you have an Ultra 1…one of Chun li more favorable matches.

Ironreaver7 · August 4, 2011, 5:55am

bahn:

Hmm. He has some decent defense, but dashing isn’t really recommended against above average players. Akuma is definitely an annoying matchup for Chun, but based on the footage – it seems he’s not entirely confident in her attack set. Most of his “pokes” just seem like random whiffs and his punishes could have been much stronger. EX SBK was also used during situations that would have been better suited for either blocking or using:

-st. mk (great move to use against standard flips on reaction)
-cl. st. rh (effective as a close-range AA)
-far st. strong (works as a long range AA or poke – more of these should have been used IMO).

His Chun has a lot of potential, and only seems “unconventional” (or wierd as you put it) because his gameplay could benefit from more refinement and playing against stronger comp. This will ultimately help him to make better decisions instead of just walking himself into a corner and playing ultra-defensive.

yea he is a bit different…but different is good as long as he doesnt get sloppy…whatever style nets him a victory i say

Paolochun · August 4, 2011, 7:02am

Hey man! Will go through both later. I think I might post it on Youtube itself instead. Might send you a sub and friend add too.

Mythos13x · August 4, 2011, 7:25am

Thanks dude, i appreciate it

bahn · August 4, 2011, 10:55am

i will also take a look when i have time, followed by an FR and sub

Da_Knut · August 6, 2011, 1:40am

Are you on XBL? If you have good connection, when will you allow me to bust yo ass?

RaidenthaShocka · August 6, 2011, 2:29am

My connect is dec for people on the west coast. Not so much for Atl. My tag is my srk handle. add me up and we’ll play a couple sets.

Wii_Wh1ppet · August 6, 2011, 3:18pm

If you want I’ll PM you my critique and advice, let me know though as obviously I don’t want to spend ages writing something if you don’t think I can help

Mythos13x · August 6, 2011, 7:12pm

sure, shoot me a PM either here on youtube. Any advice is good advice

bahn · August 9, 2011, 2:43am

Ok, just looked at the footage. Sorry for the delay:

too much jumping, focus on being grounded (especially against Akuma)
use more aa options (st. mk against flips, advancing flips)
decent use of footsies (recommend better punishes i.e. short -> ex legs/jab string to fp)
avoid random hasanshu - experienced players will bait and punish. if you feel you must use this move, ensure you have meter to FADC if attack is blocked or focused)
focus more on how your opponent moves - behavior against your jumps, pokes, etc. this will allow you to set up situations based on position on the board. avoid auto-pilot/random tactics

Overall, the key to winning with Chun is playing a confident, controlled style that balances jumping and ground offense. Again, your frequency of jumping against shotos especially should be minimal (unless you’re capable of doing safe jumps). Also focus more on utilizing all your AA options based on the situation/range from your opponent. Hope that helps.

Hit me up if you wanna get in some games btw.

Mythos13x · August 9, 2011, 2:49am

bahn:

Ok, just looked at the footage. Sorry for the delay:

too much jumping, focus on being grounded (especially against Akuma)

use more aa options (st. mk against flips, advancing flips)

decent use of footsies (recommend better punishes i.e. short -> ex legs/jab string to fp)

avoid random hasanshu - experienced players will bait and punish. if you feel you must use this move, ensure you have meter to FADC if attack is blocked or focused)

focus more on how your opponent moves - behavior against your jumps, pokes, etc. this will allow you to set up situations based on position on the board. avoid auto-pilot/random tactics

Overall, the key to winning with Chun is playing a confident, controlled style that balances jumping and ground offense. Again, your frequency of jumping against shotos especially should be minimal (unless you’re capable of doing safe jumps). Also focus more on utilizing all your AA options based on the situation/range from your opponent. Hope that helps.

Hit me up if you wanna get in some games btw.

Thanks man, i definitely appreciate the advice. I agree, a lot of those are problems ive been told, and notice myself. I definitely have a lot to refine and work on if i want to play appropriately. Ill send you a pm when i get an op to play some games. Might use some of that to critique in a future video.

Mnszyk · August 10, 2011, 9:24am

How does Chun-Li deal with charging focus attacks at around sweep range?

Wii_Wh1ppet · August 10, 2011, 12:52pm

Wrong thread should have asked in the Q&A thread but hey, someone asked about this the other day so here is my reply from that post

Chun-li Q&A: Ask simple questions here!

Think most options have been mentioned but here’s my last of obvious one:

At general to far distances empty jump throw
At generally optimum Focus distance far st.mp xx EX Legs (or a tiny bit closer cr.mk xx EX Legs)
Quite close, walk up throw (trust me it works)
Quite close, cr.fierce xx RH Legs (if you can’t do this cancel then remember cr.fierce on its own hits twice)
Walk backwards (or backdash) then see what they do as you’re out of range so if they cancel it with a dash forwards punish the dash with something (st.mp, cr.rh)
Play chicken by holding focus yourself back at them, if they let it go do the same as soon as you’ve absorbed the hit, if they continue to hold focus (learn when its a level 3 release) then cancel backdash yours just before and whiff punish the focus (back plus mk, mk, target combo is a decent whiff punish for this)

If they are just out of range (or on the tip of its range) they are using it to pressure you into jumping so they can cancel dash forwards and punish your whiffed jump or to increase the distance of a dash forwards for grab/pressure… If you know the players general habits its possible to just wait it out and either block it or just as they cancel it into dash forwards cr.rh them…

At sweep range your best options are either dash up EX Legs, st.mp xx EX Legs or maybe just wait (focus chicken) then backdash

launchpad · August 12, 2011, 10:23am

please comment

Q.E.D · August 12, 2011, 9:47pm

@launchpad

Not gonna be able to watch the whole video, so I’m just gonna quickly comment on your match for the first 3 rounds of your Balrog match.

You did really well regarding spacing is concerned, the only complaint I have towards this is that you may be giving up a tiny bit too much ground. Instead of just walking back, just crouch instead. If he’s whoring a charge, you really shouldn’t have to walk back and give more room.

Other tips against Balrog is that whenever you see him whiff a Heavy attack, it means he whiffed it so he can charge a TAP. Rarely will players be smart enough to hide their charge in a light attack. If they whiff such a heavy attack for no reason, know that they are looking to TAP and either c.mp, Ultra, or throw.

Also, good job on the Ultra against the EX dash, but also be weary that if you see the yellow, throw him as a meterless punish. Sets up a good oki for even more damage potential. This way, you don’t waste your Super but still get heavy damage potential.

My one other complaint is that you did not press the issue when you could have. You get the knockdown against Balrog a couple of times (jumps into a fireball, etc.) and he doesn’t quick tech AND he has NO meter. He has almost zilch wakeup options and you really should be harassing him on knockdown in these situations. When he has meter, then you worry about EX rush and have him waste it, but other wise, you probably should not be walking back and giving up that ground. You won’t build your Super meter as fast if you just throw fireballs compared to getting him locked down in a good blockstring for both possibly more damage or a throw reset situation in addition to good meter gain.

launchpad · August 12, 2011, 10:17pm

ok cool thanks

Jae_The_One · August 16, 2011, 5:33am

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Paolochun · August 16, 2011, 4:31pm

Here’s the vs Honda vids I was lamenting about in Fellowship, a mix of AE (at home/at a friend’s on PS3) and ye olde (at the mall while picking up friends for AE :lol: )…

It was a little easier in AE (not quite recorded… but obviously one didn’t use EX 'butts as liberally), but against the same good players it was tough all the same.

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In retrospect, I didn’t zone as well as I should have, didn’t I? Let Honda gain too much of the screen space. Got too impatient and fell for the EX’s and the butt gauntlets…

Edit- yup, as in months ago, arcade timer here still ass…dammit management.