Chun Li Match-Ups Thread: Police Reports

[ScrubLi]

Karin.

What in the fuck.

[DevilJin_01]

In my experience in the Bison MU, you need to be careful with your approach because I would argue that his buttons are in fact just as good as Chun’s if not better. He has good start up frames and I believe he has more buttons that leave him on plus (although I will need to double check that later on.

In a vacuum I guess you could say his buttons are better since he has more that are plus, but Chun has faster walk speed and only really needs to use c.LP, s.LP or s.MP if she wants to press you with advantage. Chun’s s.MP is 5 frame start up and plus 3 and Bison doesn’t have a 3 frame normal so you will be putting pressure on him with his slow walk speed and no reversal once you start getting in his face with that.

b+HP will stuff all his regular pressure/plus normals except for c.LK and df+HP. df+HP has a stupid hit box that can stuff even her b+HP, but luckily its slow as molasses start up. It is plus 1 though so not bad for something with that much range. Still rather situational move because of 16 frame start up. c.LK obviously low profiles and is plus 2, but you’re going to have a lot of other standing normals that can beat it if he’s not right next to you with it.

Pics for comparison.

Bison frame data

Chun frame data

[TRUEB7UE]

Birdie:

AA his dive command grab with st.lk. Easy reaction.

If you relax/read the dolphin dive you can nJ.HK into whatever or late punish it with st.MP,cr.MKxxSBK/Legs/Super as well

[CharmingRogue]

Birdie:

AA his dive command grab with st.lk. Easy reaction.

If you relax/read the dolphin dive you can nJ.HK into whatever or late punish it with st.MP,cr.MKxxSBK/Legs/Super as well

Yeah exactly, You want to punish that dive hard. Can’t settle for a measly st.lk.

[Mac_D]

Any advice on the Laura match up? Not sure what to do.

[Kelgar]

I noticed on the frame data that d/f+HK is supposed to be only +4 on hit (and -2 on block), but I was pretty sure I got some c.mk linked after that, so I did some testing in training.
Turns out it depends on the height of the other character (was it like this in 4 too?)

So here’s the list for the frame adv on each character in the game:

+8 Cammy
+7 Rashid, R.Mika, Chun Li, Ryu, Laura, Karin, Nash, Ken, Necalli, Dhalsim
+6 Vega(claw), Bison(dicta)
+5 Zangief, Birdie, FANG

the adv of course increases if they’re crouching. In this case you can link a sweep even against the tallest ones.
Subtract 6 to get frame adv on block.

[QjonPL]

A little Birdie punishment list for the most annoying stuff:

f.HP - c.MK xx SBK; s.LK xx LLegs (if you did not charge); raw sweep; reversal ex Legs
d/f.HP - s.LK xx LLegs; reversal ex Legs/Super
f.HK - s.LK xx LLegs (if upclose and only second hit blocked - s.LP xx LLegs)
L,M.Bullhead - s.MP xx LLegs or c.MK xx SBK (depending if you charged)
H.Bullhead - s.MP xx LLegs
EX Bullhead - reversal M/EX.LLegs
Bullhorn - whatever you want
EX Bullhorn - walkup s.MP c.MK xx special or s.HP (xx VTC s.HP) xx Super
Hanging Chains - depending on the distance: dash s.MP c.MK xx special or walkup s.HP (xx VTC s.HP) xx Super. c.MP works almost everytime with almost every distance except max. Both Chains have deceptive recovery, you are able to move earlier than you’d think. Also MK Chains feels like it has more recovery (or less blockstun) and is easier to punish being the same negative frames as LK one.

[subzero44]

A little Birdie punishment list for the most annoying stuff:

f.HP - c.MK xx SBK; s.LK xx LLegs (if you did not charge); raw sweep; reversal ex Legs
d/f.HP - s.LK xx LLegs; reversal ex Legs/Super
f.HK - s.LK xx LLegs (if upclose and only second hit blocked - s.LP xx LLegs)
L,M.Bullhead - s.MP xx LLegs or c.MK xx SBK (depending if you charged)
H.Bullhead - s.MP xx LLegs
EX Bullhead - reversal M/EX.LLegs
Bullhorn - whatever you want
EX Bullhorn - walkup s.MP c.MK xx special or s.HP (xx VTC s.HP) xx Super
Hanging Chains - depending on the distance: dash s.MP c.MK xx special or walkup s.HP (xx VTC s.HP) xx Super. c.MP works almost everytime with almost every distance except max. Both Chains have deceptive recovery, you are able to move earlier than you’d think. Also MK Chains feels like it has more recovery (or less blockstun) and is easier to punish being the same negative frames as LK one.

reversal mk sbk works on ex bullhead as well.

[ShinSenkai]

Guys… I’m sorry. But I’m convinced the Bison matchup is in his favour

[LordVader]

Versus Ryu:

This is one of the matchups I feel relatively confident in. I don’t have a whole lot of other matchups figured ATM. But I’m around 1500 LP (terrible) but at that LP I’ve fought against and beaten 3k LP ryus… As well as when I was around 300 LP I beat a 2k LP Ryu. Not saying I have the matchup down and don’t lose to ryus, but I’ve seen that it’s one of the matchups where Chun can play her own game, to a certain extent.

Anti fireball game:

First engage in a fireball war. You can’t win this, but that isn’t the point. The point is to try and get Ryu predictable in his fireball patterns. Once you’ve got Ryu to a rhythm in his fireballs, you can dash cr.mp to go under an anticipated fireball.

Mix this up with not dashing and instead just doing a v skill. The v skill will move you over ryus fireballs WITH CHARGE. At which point you get to dictate the tempo cause he most likely can’t throw a fireball as you land, but you can throw a fireball at him now.

Neutral jumping fireballs is great especially if you know your options depending on ryus ranges that he wiffed the fireball at. For instance you can neutral jump a fireball and then walk backwards to gain a charge and throw your own fireball. Which may give you fireball advantage. Or you can neutral jump and then walk forward into your poke/AA range and wait for Ryu to jump at you or do a fireball from a really unsafe distance that you can often punish on reaction with a cr.mp.

The thing NOT to do against fireball spammy ryus is to try and dash in on them when you see them jumping backwards. If you must get in, then walk in. It allows you to be able to AA Ryu at a moments notice should he try to jump at you and it allows you to block fireballs if he throws one.

If the Ryu is good at his fireball timing at neutral, don’t be afraid to back off to a space where Chun can easily neutral jump or AA Ryu.

Impatience is what gets Chun killed by ryus fireballs. Just take your time and it’s much easier as long as you keep an eye toward always anti airing the fireball spammer since most fireball spamming ryus like to “mix it up” with jumpins.

If the Ryu is an actually good one that uses his dash and normals, then it’s a harder fight, but a very enjoyable one. Learn your footsies. And learn to be able to distinguish one Ryu from another.

Against jumpy ryus:

They are a pain depending on how well they can convince you that they WONT jump. From my perspective I just wait for them to jump and then AA them… Then I go back to baiting them for the AA right after wards unless I went for a mixup while they are landing.

Against jumpy players it’s your job to try to convince them to embrace their inner scrub and jump at you even after you’ve AA’d them a few times. You will know to continue to bait them if they do nothing… Just walk them into the corner SLOWLY. The corner isn’t the goal though. The pressure of walking them there is the goal. So they jump into your AA and give you a landing mixup if they are the type to fall for it, or a damaging BHK AA if they are the type to know about the crossunder mixup.

There is still a jumpy style of Ryu that beats me. It’s the guy that does one or 2 pokes and then crosses me up. And the guy that threatens low pokes then crosses me up.

I’m still learning to spot these players tendencies and ranges/timings.

I’ve only played one solid Ryu so far…, every other Ryu is some form of the styles I posted above, that are all basically scrub styles. A few that are footsies oriented that aren’t that good though. And a few I can never beat because the connection says warping jumps are the way of sf5.

But it’s the one “problem” matchup that I think I have a decent enough handle on so far.

Hope some of that helps.

lol thanks @Dime_x for the tips provided,it did helps me for dealing against ryu, if really warping match,going to GG, have any1 here face Graphene ryu? just asking hehe.

[LordVader]

Guys… I’m sorry. But I’m convinced the Bison matchup is in his favour

same here, i have difficulty dealing with bison,is hard to punish his move even the move is - on block like psycho inferno, after the st.hk, st.mp cr.mp inferno string,i can’t seem to punish him after that. :s

[DevilJin_01]

Guys… I’m sorry. But I’m convinced the Bison matchup is in his favour

He doesn’t have a reversal and his neutral game is not as strong as Claw’s. Especially not before he gets V Trigger. He can be a pain if you let him get going, but with all of Chun’s neutral options it feels like you really have to screw up to let that happen.

He’s one of the few matchups where I regularly do keep a fireball on screen. Even with his V Skill if you are close enough walking forward to him after its still a bit risky for him to try and use it.

Certain specials are going to leave him too far away to do standard button punishes. Regular inferno should be an easy EX legs punish though.

[Paolochun]

Guys… I’m sorry. But I’m convinced the Bison matchup is in his favour

same here, i have difficulty dealing with bison,is hard to punish his move even the move is - on block like psycho inferno, after the st.hk, st.mp cr.mp inferno string,i can’t seem to punish him after that. :s

Bisons Ghost Rider flame thing is punishable on block by sweep or better yet c. mk into stuff.

I feel that you just have to get used to it. Better Bisons know its recovery and will use scissors kick or fireball for an ender instead if their normals get blocked.

[Paolochun]

Any advice on the Laura match up? Not sure what to do.

Pokes and footsies to keep her out. EX bird to eat up fireball setups but be careful if the Laura catches on/has anti anti tech for that. If she tries to blow through your fireball with an EX armored move, respond with Lightning Kick or CA. You can c. mp under her fireball if it’s not spaced too tightly.

[Sephiroth73003]

Mika matchup finally think i’m finding the button to make this a real match.

st. FP beats everything of hers but sweep if you are on offense. If you are defense cr. MP is the easiest answer to charged HK if you have v-trigger otherwise cr. MK the b. FP doesn’t work well for me unless she does it at a really dumb range.

Guys… I’m sorry. But I’m convinced the Bison matchup is in his favour

He doesn’t have a reversal and his neutral game is not as strong as Claw’s. Especially not before he gets V Trigger. He can be a pain if you let him get going, but with all of Chun’s neutral options it feels like you really have to screw up to let that happen.

He’s one of the few matchups where I regularly do keep a fireball on screen. Even with his V Skill if you are close enough walking forward to him after its still a bit risky for him to try and use it.

Certain specials are going to leave him too far away to do standard button punishes. Regular inferno should be an easy EX legs punish though.

My whole issue in the match is once he goes v-trigger … like I’m winning then I get crossup EX head stomped in v-trigger for 25% of my life and I just cry. I’ve heard ‘air throw’ can beat it but I just get stomped every time i’ve went for it so the timing obviously isn’t to lenient. In general how do people handle bison in v-trigger? I’ve resorted to just down-back and try to ride it out unless he does something I know I can take advantage of because EX headstomp is terrifying me.

[VersatileBJN007]

Okay guys, I’m genuinely confused. I’m working on character match ups in training mode and I noticed for some reason that Ken’s v-skill on block won’t allow me to do st.mp, cr.mk. It works when he’s standing neutral, but for punishment the cr.mk NEVER combos. Am I doing something wrong or is this a glitch of some sort?

I’ve settled for just punish with st.mp x legs, but I want more damage than that

[TheRealJudgeD]

Hey all, looking for some tips/advice for the Rashid MU. I feel like I can’t properly punish anything. I know Chuns normals are leagues better but I’m getting counter poked to high hell (a lot to due with frustration/bad habits, I’m sure). How are you guys approaching this match?

[Sephiroth73003]

Okay guys, I’m genuinely confused. I’m working on character match ups in training mode and I noticed for some reason that Ken’s v-skill on block won’t allow me to do st.mp, cr.mk. It works when he’s standing neutral, but for punishment the cr.mk NEVER combos. Am I doing something wrong or is this a glitch of some sort?

I’ve settled for just punish with st.mp x legs, but I want more damage than that

Nah it Is a range thing. He us so negative you are probably hitting him further out or maybe the pushboxes are weird during his run. After forward throw dash cr. Jab you can hit the st. MP but not the cr.mk it is weird.

[LordVader]

Okay guys, I’m genuinely confused. I’m working on character match ups in training mode and I noticed for some reason that Ken’s v-skill on block won’t allow me to do st.mp, cr.mk. It works when he’s standing neutral, but for punishment the cr.mk NEVER combos. Am I doing something wrong or is this a glitch of some sort?

I’ve settled for just punish with st.mp x legs, but I want more damage than that

Nah it Is a range thing. He us so negative you are probably hitting him further out or maybe the pushboxes are weird during his run. After forward throw dash cr. Jab you can hit the st. MP but not the cr.mk it is weird.

i can’t seem to punish v-skill atk from ken,it seem like too much pushback for me, when i try to cr.mk,it block even i react in time

[LordVader]

guys,any1 here mind to share dealing with laura,bison experience? not really gud dealing with their pressure :s