Funny you said that, I actually struggled vs Urien and Balrog in S1- mostly because they can throw out safe moves with next to zero risk, even if blocked. I honestly thought Capcom would make some of these character’s moves less safe, but no- they BUFFED them wtf!!! Did Capcom honestly think they weren’t good!? People weren’t using them because they were new, and already established their mains for CPT, not because they were bad and needed buffs. Or maybe it was because they are DLC and want $. I wouldn’t doubt that, they probably designed Akuma to look like Mufasa to encourage players to buy his original look because default is so god awful.
Yeah some of these characters had the Super/AE Fei Long/Cammy effect. Only the Japanese talked about them being good, they took buffs under the radar and then they start running the game.
But I like Mufasa Akuma, i actually really dig that look.
I have made up a matchup chart basically on my feeling on the characters this season. I would like to hear your opinions. (Perhaps Alex is an advantageous now that i think about it.)
I haven’t learned matchups fully yet but looking at your chart
- yeah, Chun has advantage on Alex. One of her easiest matchups.
- I think Chun beats Akuma 6-4
- I think Gief is 5-5 now.
- I woulda thought Claw is 6-4 or 5-5. She can’t bully claw with air legs anymore and he can hang with her in neutral.
- I’m not sure Chun destroys birdie like that.
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Agreed on Alex the more i think about it.
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I am not sure on that. Chun has no strong answer to his air fireball shenaningans and she can’t bypass zoning so his stubby limbs wouldn’t matter very much. If the Akuma player ran away the entire match or was just in your face then it would be really hard to deal with him. The damage to HP ratio is also on his side IMO.
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On Gief, I still think her fireball and poke game is enough to grant her an edge but not a huge one anymore. Maybe 5.5 win or a very light 6.
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She can’t bully yes but her fireballs and strong neutral still puts her in a good position IMO. But I guess it is again only a slight victory now.
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Chun should either be full screen or rushing down his throat. I don’t play footsies with Birdie. From my experience it is very hard for him to get an edge when he is played against like that.
So Overall I think i should move Alex and Vega to the shotos and Necalli (5.5) tier where it is a slight advantage. I don’t think they are 6-4 like Nash and Gief IMO anymore.
Yeah I was looking at your chart in greater increments. If the shoto row is 5.5, and the vega row 6-4, I think your chart’s pretty spot on.
I don’t give a fuck what anybody says. Chun sucks in season 2. I mean she’s really bad. If you don’t play perfect vs certain top tiers, you’re dead. The thing that sucks the most is that you know you are out working your opponent then all of a sudden you lose because of one mistake and because the other character has crazy normals that are + on block and delivers insane damage.
Is Chun mid tier? Yes, if you can play a perfect game. It’s just like season 1 Chun. Chun was the best character if you played perfect in season 1, but if you made one mistake vs a Ken, Mika, or Nash you were dead. That’s why Chun lost EVO to Nash and Capcom cup to Mika in season 1.
Now, without the season 1 buffs, Chun is lost in a sea of nothingness. The vtrigger cancels are a joke for the most part and she didn’t get any meaningful buffs to compensate the HUGE nerfs.
There’s a reason 99% of all chuns switched characters in season 2. There’s a reason her usage rate has dropped dramatically.
In my opinion, Chun is right there with the worst characters in the game like Fang, etc. Of course, if you can play a perfect game 100% of the match then she is mid-tier at best and you’re still going to have to out work and play your opponent especially vs top tiers like Urien, Guile, etc.
Capcom raped Chun. They fucked her to the highest order. Mika got off light. She still can do crazy damage off mix ups. Chun got the worst of the worst.
I think Fang is the only character that really got fucked. Most of the Season 1 top tiers got over nerfed, but they’re still very playable.
Nash is right there, too. I had a match with a Nash the other day. He did 3 ex sonic scythes to aa my jump ins, and two of them got stuffed and in the other one I fell out of the first hit and punished him. lol. I felt bad for him.
I think Guile’s flash kick should have the same hitbox and frame data as Nash’s sonic scythe.
Capcom released a revised patch note with previously omitted changes now included. It is a freaking 58 page PDF.
Chun section: http://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/adjust2017/en/3.html
I know that she has been nerfed all around, but reading all those comprehensive and itemized nerf list is something else entirely. Really “impressed” by Capcom’s thoroughness in nerfing Chun.
I like how the typo for st. MK instead of st. HK is still there. Maybe I should start investigating st. MK for these supposed changes.
Yeah Chun being mid-tier =/= dead lol. Though there is definitely truth to hard being harder to use as well compared to some of the other mid tiers.
I only use hard to use characters so I never really evaluate that with anything competitively.
Main problem was she was already too far and now she’s even more fair. Fair is still solid, but fair doesn’t get your character regularly in top 8 CPT
Haven’t played lately, but I plan to get back to it the soonest. Happy Lunar New Year to all. :3
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Chun fucking sucks. Everyone switched characters besides maybe a handful. And the ones that are left can’t beat the top tier on a regular basis. I’ve watched every rec game of chun since season 2 and EVERYONE is getting bodied.
Chun, in my opinion, tied with Fang for worst character in the game. Hell, fang might be better.
I’ve seen Fangs winning vs top tier pretty good.
And before anyone says otherwise… how many chuns playing online or in major tournaments? Not many online at all and the ones that are getting bodied and no tourneys yet so no idea but doubt we will see one in top 8.
Man i know you’re upset with the chun nerfs but man no way is she the worst character in the game. I think Chun is better than Alex, Fang and even Ryu. The problem is capcom overnerfed the previous top tiers way too much in which they lied about not overnerfing the top and instead made several other characters better so MU’s are a lot harder now. I hope a small balance patch comes before CPT because if not i don’t see many people still playing this game for a whole year
She worst character in the game bro. We can sit here and argue that Chun can still win and all this other bull shit. It’s bull shit. Chun fucking sucks. I’ve seen pro players getting bodied using her vs average players using top tiers. Show me one chun player who has won a set of 5 vs a top tier or even mid tier character vs someone who is equal or same level in skill. I haven’t seen one yet. And we are talking about PRO players.
The below pro level players don’t have a chance with Chun li. With Chun, you have to out play your opponent the entire game because one or two mistakes you’re likely dead. Why? Because, other characters have crazy damage and way better mix ups and they are easier to play.
Chun is only mid tier if you play her perfect the entire game and use all her available tools. Nobody on earth can play perfect games every game. That’s why I said chun fucking sucks and is worst than Fang. Capcom got tired of hearing all they crying about Chun being the best character and OP so they said fuck it and made her the worst character. Oh but we got vtrigger special cancels. Fuck that. That shit is worthless and damage scaling is laughable.
Playing Chun now feels like you’re pressing a thousand buttons vs someone who is only pressing 2 buttons and winning by doing bull shit.
Nerfing air legs was enough to make chun mid tier. At least then she could still compete vs some of the fucking bull shit that’s out there now like Urien, Guile, Cammy, Laura, etc.
They didn’t just nerf air legs or cr.lp. They fucking nerfed almost everything. It’s fucking bullshit.
And guarantee people have more success with any other character than Chun li in season 2.
And no Chun is not better than Alex in season 2
Hell, Gief is at least 3x better than Chun in season 2
And Mika still better than Chun.
Also, there is no new tech or bull shit coming for chun unless Capcom give her new buffs. Every other character has threads with new tech and shit. Lol this is a joke.
Oh, and I’ve come to the conclusion that majority of SF players hate Chun li. Because anytime you bring her up there is always huge argument. And when you win with Chun oh she is the best in the game top 5 character lol. These fools don’t even play the character and don’t know shit. That’s why they should just take her out the game. They fucked her up so hard it’s pathetic.
They got fucking paragraphs of all the Chun nerfs. Lol. You can’t make this shit up.
GO1 got bopped up by his teammate’s Urien. Chun too fair.
LMAO. The balance patch is bullshit. There is no fucking balance. Only balance is the balance of power was shifted heavily to Urien, Guile, Cammy, Laura, Balrog, etc.
When you’re Chun EVERYONE seems hard as hell to beat. You have to do overly complex combos to do any sort of damage and damage is still shit.
I played with Cammy other day. Lol. I was winning easy just by doing simple shit. That’s why everyone switched characters bro. Nobody want to deal with Chun and the bull shit in season 2. It’s just frustrating to keep losing to top tier characters and EVERYONE does better damage and has better mix ups than chun.
Ok bro, we get it lol.