you’re crazy and you don’t know what your talking about!
Only shi- players rely on tier list. Think long and hard, how much different is Ryu and Chun Lee and let me know when you get an answer. There is a big difference if the other person knows how to block, turtles or go offense, but then again it’s not like there is any good overall character anyways and that is why I typically just use random.
I’m relatively new to SRK, and new to picking up chun.
Anyway, I agree about tier lists. They don’t mean that much. Look at high level players, the ones you see on streams, some of them play what a lot of people consider “low” tier characters. JWongs makoto is pretty damn good, so is Flash Metroids. Marn’s Dudley is a beast, Magos Fei is scarey and Vance has made Gief pretty scarey as well. Gamerbee’s adon? Look how well Lud and RickyO play Chun. Etc, etc, etc.
Sorry if this was posted or mentioned before, I didn’t want to read through everything to make sure!
alright man check it out… character is low on the list, doesn’t mean you can’t do well with him’her… likewise character is at the top of the list doesn’t mean you’ll do well with them.
If you consider all aspects taht make a character good such as: stamina, execution necessity, pokes, damage, walk speed, ultra, and anti air etc. Top tier characters do very well in several of these areas.
Jwong does well with makoto but even he admits that she’s a bad character.
As for chun… it’s funny how ever since she’s become the queen of the list, tons of people on this thread are now bashing the lists. The fact that she’s the queen takes the credit away from chun’s wins.
I’m pretty sure everyone would rather play against someone who openly admits chun is stupid, than someone who trys to go around saying chun is mediocre to give themselves more credit.
ya but it’ll be tough to get the glory amongst your friends of you being a good player. They’ll always put it on your character.
This is the difference between us:
I don’t care what my friends think. I care what the tournament results are.
Regardless, Chun may or may not be top tier - I don’t care. The final verdict is, it doesn’t matter, because she has so many different facets of her game (what, like 7 different anti-airs?) that it’s not like Vanilla Sagat where you can pick him and expect to win based on the fact that he has an awesome uppercut that can combo into Ultra even on a trade.
So maybe she’s top tier, but she still has to work for her wins.
re 3s super comparison:
chun feels like a combo of cvs2 chun and ST chun. B+F is not possible, c.mk isn’t great, and her s.mp is a shadow of it’s former self in st and her n FP in 3s is a shadow too…but she probably has the best footsies in the game mid range, and mid-long range is a problem when fireballs catch up to you in a fireball fight or you don’t have charge.
really though, just play the character yourself because the game mechanics are way different from any street fighter derived game, you’ll find my comparisons useless. she’s a totally different character
Chun best character in the game? No. Whether or not she makes top-tier is going to depend on what other characters are ultimately top-tier.
One of the best kept secrets of SFIV was that Chun was actually really good in that game too. The reason why we didn’t see more Chun was because her bad matchups just happened to include the tournament regulars - Akuma, Rufus, C.Viper. Akuma in particular is a horrible match-up for her, he just shuts her down cold. In SSFIV this actually didn’t change much. She can go even or beat Sagat now, but Akuma is still just as bad as it was before, and Rufus/C.Viper are still uphill.
So, her placement is going to depend on what happens with the other characters. People threw around Bison, Guile, and Honda as the new top, and if that were true then Chun would certainly be up there because she fights them very well. Not quite as well as she did in regular IV, but she still has the slight edge. But so far, Bison, Guile and Honda haven’t been making a huge impact in tournaments, at least no more than they did in regular IV. If the tournament field still has a lot of Akuma/Rufus/Viper then Chun is going to still have that uphill battle.
She’s going to be pretty high up there in AE just like she is in super if for no other reason than charge characters with good footsies will reign supreme on the tier lists.
I got a Japanese hate mail yesterday. “Why don’t you try fighting without relying on an overpowered character.”
I laughed.
LOL 5-5!!!
o man me and my friends got a good laugh off of that…
now why don’t you tell me how the seth vs. gief goes.
She’s Tied for 1st… so that makes her second???
Bison, Vega, Akuma, and Chun are all tied for the fastest walking speed… does that mean they’re all 4th place?
Good reversals, good damage, godly pokes, good damage combos, hessantsu is safe on block and a legit frame trap against some characters, trade into ultra 2, a super that comes out in 2 frames, fastest walking speed. fastest forward dash, and a fast back dash… etc… tons of other things I don’t care to remember.
Sorry man, it’s really hard to respect a character that has all this going for them and not much of a down side.
I wouldn’t bat an eye at 5-5, but if there is advantage I would say slight Chun. As I have said before, Vangief just does not know this matchup.
Yes, Chun outpokes Gief, she outpokes a lot of people. Chun players love s.rh in this match, but Gief can take it away with c.lk buffer into EX Green Hand. c.lk flat out BEATS Chun s.rh. This not only does damage, but scores the knockdown for further mixups. Gief doesn’t really have to worry about meter too much, because at full screen he can whiff KKK Lariat and there isn’t much Chun can do about it. He can even spam PPP Lariat against U2 Chun, and U1 Chun before she gets meter. A Gief who is good at keeping meter and using c.lk can take a lot of steam out of s.rh’s power. It forces Chun to start using other buttons which aren’t quite as ranged/effective.
Because Chun’s AA’s are all situation-dependent, Gief can beat her with the right jump-in. If Gief does a good job changing his choice of jump-in, as well as distancing, it can be difficult for Chun to make the right AA choice. EX SBK is the most reliable option, but requires of course meter and charge. If Gief is U2, EX SBK becomes a ridiculous risk. If U2 Gief jumps at Chun, she’s got a very hard choice to make - attempt AA and potentially trade/lose or even eat Ultra, attempt escape and potentially eat Ultra, or stay on the ground and potentially eat empty jump into SPD.
On a knockdown, Gief can do jump d.lk into Suplex or just mix-up options. Chun’s has almost no good answer for the jump d.lk except for EX SBK. On knockdown, if U2 Gief jumps, Chun is going to have to make a 50/50 choice here. Guessing wrong means losing a lot of damage with the potential to lose more.
It can definitely be a frustrating match from Gief, but it is nowhere near his worst, or even a really bad one. He has options.
Wow dude…you have Chun issues.
EX SBK flat out loses to many attacks, is easily safe-jumped, completely misses on neutral jump, and can’t be FADC’ed to make safe, or for extra damage. She needs meter and DB charge for it. Plenty of recovery on whiff, making it HIGHLY punishable if she’s wrong.
Decent damage. B&B requires meter.
No argument.
Hasan Shu loses completely to FA, and she can be jabbed out of it fairly easily. Can also be reversaled on reaction. I’ve been ultra’d out of it on reaction. If Hasan Shu whiffs for whatever reason, she has a ton of recovery.
Damage on U2 is not that great.
Yes, that super is godlike. However, it requires a full bar (goodbye EX SBK/EX Legs) AND charge, and if it isn’t a guaranteed combo/punish or just whiffs for whatever reason, tons of recovery.
Low vitality, reversal is all-or-nothing, AA options require specific knowledge of how to use them in order to use them properly. Akuma owns her pretty badly - Rufus and Viper are also bad, and Blanka can annoy her if played right.
She’s definitely good, but not the best in the game.
1.) Yes, two people who are tied for 1st are both technically second place.
2.) Yes, they’re all tied for fastest walk speed, so if you had to rank every character, 1 through 35 (or whatever it is), yes they would all be tied for fourth place. That is generally the way I’ve seen ranking systems work, though some Ranking systems have different policies. The concept behind it is that if you’re second place, it means you’ve scored higher than everyone except one person (the guy in 1st). But if there’s more than one person in 2nd place, that’s not the case. So, they get bumped down accordingly.
Again, not every ranking system works that way, but I see a lot that do.
3.) This is all a moot point now since Chun is not 1st (or tied for it, whatever) on the Tier list anymore.
Yes she is the best.
Thank you for that compelling and well-constructed argument.
imo guile is best.
there is a handful of players (really only a handful) who make chun look overpowered because they know the game so well and seem to have an answer to everything, but chun really has a lot going against her. she’s fine, maybe her backdash could be nerfed very slightly.
Why the hate for a compliment? Why get mad if she is the best, its like you guys are getting mad because she is extremely good? It is what it is. You guys are trying to make arguments for reasons as to supposedly why she isnt good lol. Is there something that is wrong with being the best?
My biggest problem with characters being acknowledge as the best, is that there is huge outcry for this character to be nerfed in future variations of the game. I don’t doubt for a second, that Chun is a very good character, but as has been stated on numerous threads, Chun’s matchups against tiers that are higher or even than her give her a lot of problems, bar the exception of Honda. Azrael makes a good point about ex-sbk. It’s definitely a better than good reversal, but easily safe jumped, and can’t be focussed out of. Anyone with good safe jump knowledge against her will limit Chun’s use of ex-sbk on wakeup. It’s also not easily used to interrupt blockings like mashing dps either, since it requires charge.