It’s kind of amazing how universal the “my character isn’t as good as this list says he/she is” trend is on these forums. What’s the fear behind playing a top tier character? People aren’t going to start stoning you or burning you at the stake.
Yes if you’re a scrub with Chun-Li you’ll get scrubbed up. But those of you who have been playing her since Vanilla would be lying to yourselves to say that she isn’t improved in this SF. The list isn’t saying that she doesn’t have bad matchups it’s saying that the bad matchups she does have are outweighed by the fact that she is even if not better with the vast majority of the cast, which is in no way inaccurate. Chun-Li was top eight at Evo. That says a great deal. And despite what I’m hearing in this forum, coming from someone who plays a high health main, I definitely fear U2 because of the ease with which a decent Chun player can get to it. The reason why Sagat and Ryu were ridiculous in Vanilla wasn’t just because the ultra did so much damage, but because they had a billion options to get to their ultra and the same can be said of Chun’s U2 in Super. Any way you cut it, an ultra that you can land in 90% of your matches if a good ultra, period.
Chun has tremendous normals, tremendous footsies, and she is tied for first in walk speed. She has a great pair of throws with solid range, an air throw, a projectile, a fast overhead special and an instant overhead. She has the second best backdash in the game behind Rose. She can adapt to several different playstyles because of her versatile moveset. She can rush and she can turtle, she is very, very good.
SSFIV is very well balanced for a game with a cast this large. Stop flipping out about Chun-Li not being the best in the game. She’s really good, so she’s ranked really well. It’s not the end of the world, and disagreeing that she’s very good makes you look biased. I’ve got nothing but love for Chun and any good player behind her but she’s a beast.
WeaponsLeft there’s noone that’s saying Chun isn’t good in this game, but being good and being the undisputed #1 in the game is a very big difference.
Chun did get weaker than she was in vanilla, this is largely because of the damage nerfs she took, she was never a big damage dealer to begin with (unless you count very specific situations).
You could argue that almost everyone got damage nerfs, but I can say that not everyone needs to use EX to have a stable bnb.
She did gain df+lk which is a great anti-air, but as far as I can tell it doesn’t change any of her matchups, it just makes it simpler for her to anti air someone.
In vanilla she didn’t have trouble dealing with jumpers either, the only thing that’s difficult for her to deal with are divekicks on wakeup, which are still the same.
And no matter what you say u2 is not scary, her u2 juggle deals around the same damage as her u1 did in vanilla against characters that dropped through it.
In vanilla if you did u+hp/j.hp~hp, ex legs/ex sbk you’d get comparable damage to that of juggling with u2 now.
She’s also extremely locked when she ends up in the corner, if she’d have a worthwhile walljump that would be a different story, but right now her regular jump is too floaty and angeled and her walljump just makes her an easier target.
Another easy was of telling if Chun is as dominant as the tierlist says is look at vanilla tournaments and the amount of Sagat-players in them, even Akuma who was a solid 2nd.
Do you see even close to that amount with Chun in super?
No, you don’t.
Isn’t that weird seeing as she supposedly only has 4 bad matchups, no 3-7’s and 6-4 against the vast majority of the cast?
Even when Japan gets this game and SBO/EVO JP comes around you still won’t see that many Chun players, she’s a good character but she isn’t as dominant as the chart suggests.
She is a strong character still, but her bad matchups remain mostly the same aside from Zangief due to the nerfs he took.
And since most of the characters from vanilla that weren’t up there got boosted I have a hard time believing she’s 6-4 against 85% of the cast.
We know that Nemo is a Chun li player. It’s not like he made a switch. Haneyama was my Chun li inspiration since vanilla, so that wasn’t a coincidence either. I’ve never heard of Keke though. I’m glad to see the top Chun li players of Japan make that list. It’s different if they made a switch to another character because they were top tier, but they were with Chun li all the way since vanilla when she was considered probably mid tier.
+1. true words. and lmao neil that post makes my night - you KNEW this thread was coming.
to be honest i feel totally vindicated by this sudden public awareness of how godlike chun is. as balrog i acknowledge i have some pretty ‘broken’ frame advantage and guaranteed damage. but since i feel like chun is 6-4, regardless of how bad i play the matchup, i’m glad chun is being put on blast.
lol yea there is a public awareness of it for sure. The public gonna eat this news up especially with the godgarden just recently.
She was ranked the best recently in a ranking chart and a Chun player won God Garden. The public is gonna probably gonna overrate with that tho.
I think every character can be put on blast in this game. Obviously some more than others.
Even Rufus. Japan seems to Handle good Rufus players alot better than we do or so it seems that way.
The Top number 1 is definitely arguable but not that important really. I would say Chun is the top though as i said previously.
Is it? Chun li isn’t an easy to learn character like Ryu. I don’t get as many Chun lis and most of them aren’t just scrub. Most of them are at least decent. Or some of them just don’t know the matchup like I did before in vanilla.
" Once again, people are really misconception about Chun’s placing. Sure she has a +192. But do those of you who don’t play her even know WHY? She is a VERY tough character to work with considering nearly all hear tools are situational.
Her worst matchups are still Viper, Rufus and Gouki. While everyone else got rounded off to 5-5s, a few 6-4s and one or two 7-3s. She is the perfect example of a character who actually takes work to win with.
No, EX SBK is not gdlk, in fact, it’s ass but still her best wake up option. The very fact that it’s possible to stuff it completely with a well placed jump does not help her at all or that if blocked, is highly suspected to punishment.
Not only that, she does NOT have a one-fits-all anti-air. She has several and they are all situational. ST.CL RH won’t beat certain jump ins, df+Short will work with specific angled ones, st.foward will only beat characters about to cross on TOP of her head, cr. strong will only beat fake crossups.
Her arguably best normal in vanilla got nerfed (st.rh) while her df+Short and st.Strong got buffed up (df+short got really good, st.strong reaching ST status improved it just a bit). Yes, her cr. forward in SF4 is that good. Nothing else has changed.
Another bit no one seems to care about is the fact, she really didn’t change at all beyond those 3 improvements. The overall damage nerf to the whole cast (except Sim) made her better to the situation. Nearly everything you can do with Chun in SSF4, can really be done in SF4
Another misconception is that she draws even with Viper now. No, not really. U2 helps her case, but Viper is still a momentum based character, Chun cannot handle that at all still. Wake Up U2 is NOT a viable option against a speedy-tricky Viper. IMO the only reason it’s 6-4 now is because of U2 threat/guaranteed damage vs Viper. Gouki as well, still wrecks her pretty bad and can be argued that it’s 6-4/7-3 in his favor. It’s still Option Select city for Gouki vs Chun even with Gouki’s nerfs. Rufus is Rufus, U2 threat and improved anti-air normal game is what draws it 6-4 (RUF’s favor still) now compared to in vanilla (I don’t care what anyone says, it’s 7-3 in SF4). She wasn’t bad in SF4, she lost out horribly to characters who could do more damage than her using less work.
Another major thing is that Tougeki is next month and that is a big thing. All players at GG who qualified for SBO used their mains with U1.
If there are really people out there who think she is that braindead easy to use. I really feel for you because chances are your going to switch right away. There is no “I WIN” button with her. You have to actually work for her wins.
What’s the point in a match up chart/tiers if you can’t use a character to their full potential in the first place."- eventubs.com
lol I like this sentence the most. I used her since Vanilla(Well actually I use her since SF2), but any how she is very hard to use.
Constantly zoning is quite difficult with her. You really have to know her normals very well and which ones to use.
Her superior footsies carry her further in this game than the last game.
To those of you who have been saying that they are seeing more Chuns lately, I will gladly welcome new Chun players. What will happen is one of two things:
If they are willing to put in the time to really learn a deep character with a lot of tools for a lot of situations, they’ll fit right in. They’ll learn that there’s more to Chun than the tier lists indicate and (hopefully) we’ll see them on these boards learning and improving their game.
If they’re just hoping to ride the tier list like everyone did with Sagat and Ryu back in Vanilla, they’ll all be sorely disappointed. Sorry, you can’t go on autopilot and mash Uppercut FADC on wakeup and expect everything to turn out okay. I’d expect those players to drop Chun pretty quickly.
It wouldn’t be THAT broken as it can still get stuffed on startup from the right angle, but imagine the combo options! In the corner, EX SBK > EX SBK FADC Headstomps! Drool.