The Chun vs. Gief matchup is all about zoning. If Gief gets close enough to Chun where Chun even NEEDS to use EX SBK, Chun is fighting the matchup wrong.
yep, and even then, i find that knee drop beats EX SBK and if you keep them out long enough they’ll go for the tick 360 first most of the time, so… i just block and backdash. i haven’t used EX SBK against Gief in a long time now that I think about it… too intent on saving for super I guess. I need to find me some decent Giefs to play against!
when i see chun players losing to Gief it’s more or less the same story every time: Gief enters the match and will not jump, takes repeated thumpings about the head and face, then starts jumping from outside AA range and throwing out them huge air normals trying to counterhit your roundhouse, fierce punch, whatever. the success of this tactic has been what gets the Gief player inside more often than anything besides EX greenhand in most of the matches i’ve seen. but it shouldn’t! know your spacing, don’t let him punch your leg 
i don’t think a gief player with respect for your zoning game will try that stuff though, so don’t let it work on you
I don’t pay attention to Tiers anymore, it’s starting to sound like they get their results from tortured lab rats.
Playing Chun since vanilla and now in Super I never once thought Chun Li deserved to be Top Tier considering her handicaps. A lot of people mentioned it before, without meter Chun Li is easily bullied, thats why rushing down with Chun Li at the beguinning is dangerous, if a particular character like Gief gets one, just one knockdown off a Chun your in a world of hurt. Unlike someone like Rog or Bison who has so many escape options and don’t require meter usually. She deserves Tops but she should not be the best character in the game IMHO.
But I still love Chun. Rog is becoming my close second main though. I gave up on Makoto
Today I found out that a lot of people do obey these tier lists. A tourney I went to had a lot of Chun players, or players playing Chun. Not sure I should give them the compliment of calling them Chun players.
And Im sure most of the chun players were terrible at the tourney right?
They sure were. Only one of them didn’t lose their first match from the ones I saw. I’m sure when they realize how fragile and match dependent she is, most of them will look for greener pastures.
EDIT: I wasn’t that great myself (in fact I was bad), but you could kind of tell people were thinking of using her to get the tourney win rather than playing her because they felt she matched their playstyle.
After this point it was overkill.
Chun Li is a good Fighter, but she definitely is not Top Tier and #1 in the Game. Chun Li has some Top Tier Qualities like her Poking Normals and Mixups, but other then that just about everything else about her is average and/or below, and there are many Fighters’ out there that have much more advantages over her, then she has over them. None of her Special Moves are real damaging/useful outside of combo(s), and her Kikouken is so slow (As well as fading away and recovering slowly from using it) that if she we’re to engage in a Projectile Spamming War with almost any Fighter in the Game, she would lose and eventually the Chun Li would have to abandon using the Kikouken much. Her EX Spinning Bird Kick is the only decent wakeup option she has, but many Fighters out there have Normal/Special Moves that will beat the EX Spinning Bird Kick easily (Rufus’s Glory Kick, Cammy’s Cannon Strike, Dudley’s Air HK, and etc). Her Ultra 1/2 are considered to be some of the worst Ultra Moves in the game. (The Hosenka is very difficult to pulloff and is not combo friendly, the Kikosho has no priority whatsoever, can be interrupted way too easily, and does weak damage) It won’t take much to make Chun Li a Top Tier Fighter. If they gave her better defense options, EX Spinning Bird Kick with Invincibility startup, as well as giving her Kikosho Invincibility startup and more damage, I think she’ll be fine. Chun Li is a good Fighter, but as a Fighting Game Legend and Video Game Icon, she doesn’t live up to her Legendary Status in SSF4.
^^ It’s the fact that she IS that versatile that she is top tier. The difference is that other characters are usually built for one single gameplan, and when they meet a different match-up that outclasses them, you take that character out of his natural element. However, Chun-Li does not really have this natural gameplan but has all the tools to exploit against every single match-up out there.
Her fireball doesn’t win wars. It wasn’t built for that. But the existence of that fireball changes match-ups heavily into her favor against match-ups where she’s resorted to turtle. And while she doesn’t win those wars, she has enough tools to easily beat fireball characters.
The way that top-tier differs in Vanilla and Super is that fact that compared to Vanilla, top-tier has to work a LOT in order to press an advantage in the match. Chun-Li does NOT dominate like Sagat did in Vanilla. Sagat was made with very little weakness and didn’t have to work much for his wins. The difference is that in Super, she is top tier is because she’s not designed to fail.
Chun does not dominate or dictate the speed or pacing of a match. Her greatest strength is that ability to read and react to almost everything. Of course, she can’t counter everything and her only real weakness is on knockdown and dive-kick pressure. Chun does not have much she excels at other than footsies, but that gives her enough tools for any match-up out there.
Chun is top-tier.
The secret is that she has no easy wins and that every match is always teetering on the balance and one mistake away from being your loss.
She’s is the best character to actively work and think with.
Non ex spining bird kick and non ex leg are not design to be used outside of combo.
What did you exept ?
Her non ex Hazanchu are usefull. You can avoid fireball while building meter, punish a fireball from shitty distance and fuck some poke on reaction with it.
All of her ex move are usefull. You can play without EX leg I think, but I’m pretty sure there’s some reason why they’re here.
Na, reversal are rarely a good idea at wakeup. Unless you can fadc cancel it, it’s better to just block or/and crouch tech when under wake up pressure.
I’d rather use it to fuck a bad cross up attempt, an expected throw attempt or a bad jump in attempt.
Even if your reversal can be fadc, I don’t think it’s worth two ex bar for it. A good player can handle pressure, that’s part of the game.
And when tiers are made, they assume the two player are playing well.
Wrong. U1 is what you need against Blanka and Dhalsim. That’s the perfect tool against them. And beside of that, that’s a good overall zoning tool.
You can combo it fairly easily too for about 450 damage. That’s enough I think.
U2 is good. Don’t care about priority, I never use it outside of killing round combo or a punish situation. That’s not a godlike ultra, that’s just what chun li needed in her gameplay.
Its a tie between Rufus,Rose,Abel, and Dictator…
dont forget abels u2
Your right I keep forgeting his…
I don’t really know about Abel U2 and Bison U2.
They’re just punish/random ultra no ? Plus you can avoid them easily if you exept them.
Rufus 2 ultra are clearly broken to me, Rose ultra is a perfect tool for her, no doubt but Abel and Bison… I ask for clue.
bison can combo into U2. Rufus U2 is not broke you can safe jump it all day. is perfect for abel cuz it adds to the guessing game u play vs him.
I just shook my head when I saw this tier list, there is just no way that Chun is the best, and I don’t want her to be either. I’ve been playing her for so long because I like her, not because she’s the best.
I’m a decent Chun player, if she were that good, shouldn’t I be winning more? These tier lists these days are complete crap, what’s the point on basing it on ‘the best the character can be’ when almost no one playing the game can actually ever be that good?
How do you know your not? It’s kinda like growing old but not noticing any changes in yourself because you see it every day in the mirror. One thing that’s been said over and over again is that this list is subjective. There is no real math used here just an approximation of how a machup is weighted given equal skill on both sides. If you take this list and go “durr i’m gonna pick chun cause japan says she can beat honda 7 out of 10 times” then you’ve already lost (not looking at current chunners btw).
Once again, the tier lists are only something to be taken into account at high levels of play. We’re talking Daigo, Justin Wong, EVO 2k10 Top 8 status (woot Shizza).
Unless you get into super high-level play, the tier lists mean nothing. Everyone always blows tier lists way out of proportion even though, for a game like SSF4, skill is a much bigger factor that can overcome tier lists. For example, Makoto is at the bottom of the tier list but if you look at her tools, she’s still a really solid character, and anyone who knows how to use her (check those vids of Justin Wong playing Makoto on the SRK front page) can still wreck people with her.
…And who the hell said EX SBK doesn’t have invincibility on startup? It totally does, just not for a long time.
A lot of people seem to think tier lists show which character is the best/worst. I was under the impression that they reflect which characters are winning tournaments, and how characters had been matching in tournaments. That has nothing to do with which character is the best. If Chun Li is on top, that just means that she’s won more tournaments lately. Why is she winning more at the moment? Because she is currently popular with the best players. You can try and guess why she is popular, but in reality, tier lists are more of a popularity contest. The best players will pretty much win with whoever they put time into. Was it Chun because she’s the best? Or because she is sexy? Maybe they just got bored with their normal characters and wanted a change of pace?
There is useful info to gain from tier lists, but they are nothing more then a snapshot of current popular characters among the pros, and will changed constantly as they decide to play someone different for awhile.