ChaiThai, AI misses you.
I fought 6 chuns in a row. That has never happened to me before.
The worst part is that I’ve been playing Chun for months and they beat me up. I’m horrible at this game.
I think the tier list is kinda inaccurate… “at the moment” we’ll see what happens next month when the ssf4 arcade machines come out in Japan. My top tier players are still Ryu and Rufus, but who knows, im a noob.:looney:
Rufus’ st. LK, st. HK, U1 does 425 at full health. Rog can only do 401.
I might take Chun’s Super over Rog’s. Works after Hazanshu, st. Fierce, Kikouken, and that’s just offense. Punishes everything.
Rog doesn’t have the best offense in the game. He might have one of the best overall packages, but there are definitely characters with better ability to rushdown.
I still believe Rufus is top. He’s still too ridiculous.
Uh… Rog has an overhead, but it’s occasionally not worth using. No normal overhead, that’s for sure.
Not at all, headbutt isn’t safe on block and is not even a high priority move. He can confirm it from a jab, but then scaling makes the damage below average. And even if you do a raw headbutt to ultra, it’s not the most damaging setup.
Chun’s ultra is even better against fireballs, and there are better ways to AA as boxer.
So yeah, not even close to being the best, although still great.
You’re on the Chun forum, you should know better than to say there’s a better super than Chun’s. I punish people for whiffing pokes with it.
He has safe jumps off of his throws. That’s it. Not even any sexy option selects. Chun has better offense.
Hey I wasn’t claming his ultra was the best to AA people. Just mention that plus the damage, it can serves for other purpose. That’s just a Plus.
But you’re right, I was wrong about it being the me damaging ultra setup.
You mean, Raw ultra is even better against fireballs ? I don’t get it.
Lack of range for me, plus who’s stupid enough to throw a fireball at Chun’s U2 range when she has revenge meter ? Anyway, if that has to happen, Dash frwrd to Bxr’s U1 cover more range for better damage against fireball.
I don’t know if it’s ok to speak about your own experience when you’re theorizing something, Sf4 or not.
In an objective way, Chun EX move are too good, and has to be used to complete chun li’s flaws. Plus she doesn’t build meter that fast. Balrog on other hand build meter like a porc and I don’t find his Ex move that usefull.
And if you want to speak about your own experience => Does it happen to you often to have Chun’s super scored when facing a good player
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But I’m praying monkey here, Chun’s super is as good as balrog. In a different way, but as good. But you have to consider that Rog and Chun play differently.
If Chun li had a better c.mk, her super would be the best. But fact is, Chun’s super is more break ball to land than boxer’s one.
Boxer throw a lot of Dash straight, punish, AA, pressure, combo. That’s his main move. And when he has is super scored, you eat one, and his super crush you.
You’re right about it.
@Spoki: You do realize I was talking about chun’s Ultra 1, housenka, which is one of the best ultras for punishing fireballs?
And regarding super, I always have super meter. Well, 99% of the time. It takes exceptional circumstances for me to throw an ex sbk, so the only other time I use meter is when I combo to ultra. Other than that, I have full meter and I build it fast. It’s too useful to pass up, far more useful than a bit more damage in combos from ex legs or reversal ex bird, which is a bad reversal overall.
There are now much better fireball punish ultras (specifically rufus and cody since they don’t require charge)
also, super meter is hit or miss. I try to save it up but i mean if I get a low short in i’m going to EX legs. Super meter is so useful in footsies though.
I find I rarely have Super meter due to ex Hazanshu and ex legs~ what are you doing to not use meter?
EX Hazanshu has very limited uses - I would only use it if I really needed to get out of a bad situation. I’ve never used EX Hazanshu strictly for dealing damage.
If you sacrifice EX Legs and instead use meterless combos as punishes, you realize that Chun actually builds meter very quickly. Depending on how a round goes I can sometimes hit full Super meter before the end of Round 1 - in fact, in a lot of matches, I aim for it because of how good her Super is.
mannn, this is terrible news. ive been trying to learn chun for a few weeks now and am gonna get accused of tier whoring like a mofo when i bring her out.
I would ignore it if I were you, I get the same crap for maining Bison of all things. Nevermind the hate mailers never consider that I have been using him since Vanilla and that Bison does have a few weaknesses like Chun does.
In other news I have been debating trying to pick up Chun as a second main for a while now and plan to give her a try. Don’t expect it to be easy, in fact I expect it’s gonna take me a bit to get used to her.
Chun isn’t THE best, she’s tied(192) with Honda(192). Bison(191) is a point away from being tied with them and Guile (190) is 2 away.
What I find interesting is the top 5 are all charge characters. Crazy.
It’s not hard to play Chun without using EX legs. In fact my problem now is that I don’t use meter enough, sometimes I spend a whole round with full super without using it if I don’t see any opportunities. Instead of c.lk ex legs, I do c.lk c.lp s.fp. Sometimes I mix it up with c.lk c.lp throw, and then c.lk c.lp s.mp (frame trap) if they like o-s tech. Throws lead to good pressure so if you can manage it tick throw is better than s. fp every once in a while.
Chun without meter is hella vulnerable. You can argue she can keep away most of the cast, fact is, against a same level player as you, you have to use all she have. And that mean using super meter to cover her flaw.
For exemple, I know that Seth and Akuma are pain in a ass to approche. So when I get them once, I maxmise my damage as a motherfucker and that often means burn some meter to do extra damage.
How can you fight a Zang without using Ex sbk ? That’s probably possible, but you can win faster if you can read him and throw an Ex sbk in some of his tentative.
Even Gief and Hawk get hurt by a EX sbk.
Sure, you can use meter. I’m not saying using meter is bad. I’m just saying that saving it up isn’t bad either. Whether or not I save up super depends on the matchup and the player I’m up against. If I don’t think I will have good opportunities for super, I’ll use my meter. Even if I’m saving and I badly need damage/ex sbk I will go for it. Saving up for super doesn’t mean ignoring other options, it just means you’ll save meter if it’s convenient.
And nothing feels sexier than landing c.lp -> s.hp -> super.
Sure, you can use meter. I’m not saying using meter is bad. I’m just saying that saving it up isn’t bad either. Whether or not I save up super depends on the matchup and the player I’m up against. If I don’t think I will have good opportunities for super, I’ll use my meter. Even if I’m saving and I badly need damage/ex sbk I will go for it. Saving up for super doesn’t mean ignoring other options, it just means you’ll save meter if it’s convenient.
And nothing feels sexier than landing c.lp -> s.hp -> super.
Honda and Chun on top now? Sounds hella sketchy to me. Chun is strong but not without her weaknesses.
I think Ibuki and Dudley will be exploited and make it to top tier like Akuma did.
ibuki maybe dudley never!!!