Chikara no Hadou: Evil Ryu Strategies & Match-up Thread

Any tips for Vs Bison? Having a hard time competing with his HK and MK

You can use st.MK, st.MP, and st.MK are good pokes to compete with his st.MK and st.HK. Also, if you’re sure he doesn’t have charge, just throw fireballs.

I know what you mean, though. It feels almost impossible to whiff punish his st.MK sometimes, especially if I’m trying to land my low forward.

I normally win the matchup by getting in once or twice and abusing his defense with reads, but I generally lose the neutral which I think I could be playing MUCH better. There aren’t very many videos of the top players playing against him either which makes it harder

Any tips on the Hakan matchup?

When Hakan’s meterless and oiled up, it’s ok to zone as long as he’s not mid-range to focus attack and dash normal into a slide. Although, you don’t want him to build more oil, so be aggressive at this. Hakan’s are likely to be “focus-happy” when oiled up… you should have Low Forward xx Tatsu ready, use Target Combo, or use Forward Axe Kick against focus attacks and apply CH combos from it (Low Fierce usually works as long as you are not too far away. Also, his U1 can punish Forward Axe Kick far away when oiled, and a short distance without oil).

Do not throw fireballs far away or at wrong times when he’s oiled up and has at least 1 bar. He will punish it will EX Oil Slide very likely. His super also punishes fireballs btw.

Play smart in neutral, you don’t want to have your Low Forward whiff punished by his Toward Short xx Oil Slide. The momentum shift is not fun. St.Fierce and St.Forward will be good against that, but the question is if the Hakan will be looking for those. Almost every normal is useful as long as you predict and react on the expected.

I haven’t tested Oil Slide mix-ups much. If there are unblockables, use your method of choice to avoid it (I prefer QCF method). Otherwise most setups afaik are ambiguous to where you can’t DP anti-air them.

Without oil, GET IN! You might have to watch-out for EX SPD and U1, otherwise, you don’t want him to oil back up. Oil obviously makes him even more of a threat.

For the Oil Dive gimmick resets you can Cr.Jab, Teleport (make sure to use away+KKK to punish accordingly, look below for options), Jab DP, Ultra, and more to get out of the reset situation.

*Some ways to punish on follow-up includes:

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[] Ultra II
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] Cl.St.Fierce xx Axe Kick… etc.
[*] (Might be strict) Walk up Cr.Strong, Cl.St.Fierce xx Forward Axe Kick… etc.
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Risky for Hakan, but I would also watch out for doing Hop Kicks at bad times if he has U2. It’s possible for him to U2 it since you are airborne around 5th frame and onwards.

Once you give Hakan a run for his oil, you will take your lit cigar out of your mouth, turn your head to the camera, and say: http://giant.gfycat.com/InnocentBitterIsabellineshrike.gif

Lol! Thank you!

I’m having a hell of a time with Zangief using Evil Ryu.

Not only do I play Gief, but I have less/no trouble taking on Gief with other characters I play.

It’s like I don’t know quite where to be in terms of spacing, and more times than not he makes his way in. How does Evil Ryu tackle this match?

I’ll try again :wink:

Do we have a list of who st. HP xx MK Axe > st. MK works on mid-screen (and corner only)?

I believe it only works on Seth, Abel, and Poison. :stuck_out_tongue:

St.HP+M.Axe > St.Mk works on Abel, poison, Seth. Close.Mp+M.Axe > Mk works on Abel, El fuerte, rose, gouken, dhalsim, poison, & Seth.

I think cl.MP to MK Axe Kick works on all characters.

In the Gouken match, what are some tricks and tips for approaching Gouken. I have a difficult time making my way in.

It’s kind of shame on me, because coming from a Cody background, the Gouken match-up was the easiest, so I never really had to study the match too hard.

Any tips/tricks/dos/don’ts for Sheng Long?

So Daigo barely lost to Strider’s Abel at CEO and I’m pissed because Abel is such a cheap piece of shit 50/50 mix up characters like that take no skill not to mention he has option selects for literally everything. Can’t wait for SF5 no abel and no more option selects! Anyway I noticed Daigo wasn’t using any of the shit he did against Shiro’s Abel who he faced earlier. Daigo would jump in with lp which beats Abel’s anti air and he would also punish step kick with close mp into a combo. He didn’t do any of those things at CEO anyone know why those seem like good tech vs. that bullshit character.

Abel only has one or two footsie tools. He can’t mix you up unless you let him in in the first place.

Is there by any chance a go to punish for Bison’s EX Psycho Crusher? Maybe one for right in your face on wake-up and one a little further back on block?

If the Bison player is using it right, then no. It’s a free wakeup for Bison. You can beat it with an EX Tatsu on his wakeup. I just don’t think it’s worth the meter, though.

The thing is, if Bison is losing and he does a wakeup EX Psycho, he has to work his way back in against you, without charge and with one less meter. If he’s winning, well then he still has one less meter.

If you’re a little further back and he decides to EX Psycho, you can punish it with sweep. Good Bison players won’t use it on wakeup at this range, though.

Technically, EX Psycho is -16 on block, shit just travels really far.

I’ve been able to catch him with an autocorrect hk tatsu If he does it point blank on wakeup. As soon as he starts passing through you do df hk, by the time you finish the input and the tatsu starts you’re facing the other way and the tatsu chases him.

An advice on Abel match up: Forget about kara demons, it doesn’t work on him :’(


https://youtu.be/cOJmdV0sEhs

I know I’m way late to the party here, but I’m astounded by anyone saying Abel, of all characters, takes no skill. That dude is a fucking NIGHTMARE to try and use at any level. Abel takes no skill?

Man, I’ve got to get off the Internet. Between this site and Rule 34, I have now officially seen everything.

Hey fellow eryunites!

Lovely day isn’t it?

Anyways I was vsing my mate who uses Fei Long and I found out just how much mileage you can get out of cr.hp on Fei for whiff punishing.

So when Fei Long rekkas and it whiffs just do cr.hp into bnb and it will always connect from max distance…

367 damage for a whiff punish? Sounds awesome!