I really love everything from Udon’s Street Fighter comic, including commercials (which in the last issues seem to be almost totally streetfighter-related) but I really can’t stand/understand the cheapshots!
Wouldn’t it be great if Udon used that space for characters’personal files? They could introduce a character per issue, with a brief biography, shots of special and super moves, own stage, ending etc…
Just my opinion, anyway. :karate:
Um… the artist who draws Cheapshots Rey Posts here. Even if you don’t like Cheapshots (I love them) you could of been just a scootch nicer about it. Still waiting for Arnold Tsang, Alvin Lee and Ken Siu Chong to Post here, but Threads like this prolly disway them.
I’m sorry, I’m not english/american and I wasn’t aware my words could appear rude.
Which part of my previous post should I adjust?
Well, you’ve edited your post a bit, correct? That should do.
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I don’t like cheapshots either. The very first one with “Sucks to be Ryu” was pretty funny but after that they lost their humour for me. Don’t get me wrong Rey’s an awsome artist I’ve seen his other works but I just find C.S. to be kinda lame. Character profiles would be cool as a substitute.
People have made threads just to point out flaws in the artwork. We’ve had threads where people have ranted and completely bashed Udon for the artwork in the comic. I don’t see how this is any different.
Perhaps because you came along after the original post was edited than you would know the difference. Furthermore, it’s different because Rey is one of the few Artists that posts here. You can dig through udoneko’s old posts if you want more elaborations on what I’m saying. In short, Threads like this that offer no positive feeedback (no matter how much you don’t like something you can always say something nice) disway more of the Studio Udon staff stopping buy. For all the anti threads against the artwork and the writing, well, you sure don’t see Arnold Tsang, Alvin Lee and Ken Siu Chong posting here. That’s all we need, to scare away one of the few artists that posts here. If you’re unhappy about something, there are better ways to criticize it.
Keep in mind creating comics is very hard work from writing to artwork and everything before you post. No one from Studio Udon has to stop buy and visit if they don’t feel like it or feel unwelcome. People won’t be nice and show us respect posting here if we don’t do the same.
Yeah it was a tad OTT but he’s fixed it anyhoo, everyone has to put up with criticism no matter how It’s phrased and forums are for debates. So there are going to be clashes of opinions and posting styles.
I don’t see how you can do character profiles every issue. I don’t dislike Cheap Shots overally, but I don’t hold it with all that much love either, no offence intended. It’s okay imo.
Well, unless his original post contained some racial slurs, cracks about his mom, or the words “no talent hack”, I don’t see how it could have been too discouraging. But I didn’t see it, so I’ll give you that much.
LeSean, Mark Brooks and Erik Ko post here quite often, and they have all had a negative comment or 3 posted in their direction.
I’m willing to bet the reason Arnold and Alvin don’t is because they’re much too busy to. Most artists, especially those who have been in the industry for as long as the two of them, have pretty thick skins. I doubt a couple of bad forum threads would really make that much of an impact.
Although, again, you’re right, the threads should be moderated a little better.
You’re preaching to the choir, mang. I know all about the insane amount of work creating comics requires. I am, however, wondering why we don’t get more people defending the creators in this forum. I’ve seen plenty of threads and posts where people attack the artists, Udon itself, the writer, hell we had a thread by some wannabe penciller who pretty much told Erik Ko he didn’t know how to do his job. Yet, only one or two people step up.
So, I guess I’m just wondering why NOW we have people putting their foot down? Opinions are fine, but there’s a line that tends to get crossed a lot on message boards, these boards in particular.
Yo Apathy I know that I am the wanna-be penciller you are referring to. I have no clue where you see that I told Erik that he did not know how to do his job. All I asked was for a fair critique. I just want to clarify that. I have no quarrels with anyone at Udon. If you read it thoroughly you will see that I even said that they were cool peeps. Man it is funny how everyone’s perception is so different. My intentions were percieved differently by different individuals. Let’s get that straight though that I never said an ill word towards Erik and the Udon staff. I expressed my opinion(a consumer) about a product(SF comic) that I frequently buy in hopes to get a better product. Man I guess giving your opinion, anything less of praise, is percieved as a negative. Oh well, even so, I’ll stick to my views and opinions. Take it as you will.
By the way Apathy, I saw your SF test script. I will tell you this. This is me being cocky and arrogant towards you. You are no where near my skill level, so don’t compare yourself to me. If you have anything to say about that, challenge me to an Art Battle. I don’t care who judges. Let this be for pride, no need for official rulings. You call me a wanna-be penciller, F*ck You! Now that is something that cannot be misinterpretted.
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Eh, I don’t really enjoy the cheapshots, I never found them to fit in the comic, nor to be funny for some reason.
I’m pretty sure the cheapshots will keep going though…
Cheapshots own for good and the one that was a small tribute to Zangief owned even more.
So let me get this straight…when you said
you weren’t calling into question anyone’s job performance? Also, you said you agreed with everything Ryu’s Dark Hado said, and he ran his mouth a lot so I’m not going to quote it all, just link it. http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72745&page=2
How did you not get a fair critique? Explain that.
It looks a lot like you’re trying to have your cake and eat it too.
Where did I compare myself to you? Aside from "we both applied for the same job."
And yes, you’re a wannabe penciler. I know I want to be.
As for you not liking the pages I did in July, I’m really hurt. :rolleyes:
Then again, it wasn’t you I was trying to impress. :wow:
But it’s interesting that you didn’t leave any comments or critiques in the form, seeing as how I apparently am no where near as good as you.
I’ve said it before: I don’t like Cheapshots either. I’m not bashing the art, it’s just the whole concept of it is too kiddie for me, but then again, I don’t know who the target audience for Cheap Shots is. However, I would assume it is (at least began with being) targeted to the SF2 fans from the old days as it was seemingly meant to be nostalgic. If this is true, I’m not sure Cheap Shots is appropriate for the majority of that age group. I wouldn’t mind if it went or left, however, I would definately prefer 1-3 extra pages of main story (or backup story for that matter) in its place.
Maybe after the second arc, something new in its place? Perhaps not character profiles, but how about “amateur art” of Street Fighter characters? When I say amateur, the artist could be a lesser known artist, therefore the cost of commissioning would be cheaper or free, as if they were to get published, it could spread word of their talent. Just an idea.
-KENT
Me likie the “unknown artists” idea.
Oh my!
From what you guys are saying it seems i was wishing udon exterminated in my original post! Why is everybody still talking about it is beyond me; i re-edited it immediately as soon as Sano had me notice it could sound offensive, and i did so because it wasn’t my intention to offend or attack anybody; if something was wrong with the original post, that was only due to me being unfamiliar with english speeches.
Moreover, if I had known Ray posted here, I would have never started this thread on cheapshots, since it’s not that polite to go telling “I don’t like your work and I’d like it replaced by other things” to the one who works on it. My bad, i did, but that was not meant to be an attack towards the art and the artist at all, I was just saying cheapshots is the part of the comic i like less.
On the other hand, i wouldn’t even dream to criticize Udon’s work, since all their efforts in dealing with street fighter is something a true fan can only be enthusiastic with. I’ve been supporting their comics, busts and even controllers, and paid the hell of shippings to get them here in Italy, so the last thing I’d do is go bashing Udon like some people may have thought i was doing.
Hope this clears everithing now.
Don’t take any of this personal. Sometimes we SRKers need a good debate here and there.
And I suppose I’m the only one who remembers when people criticized very badly the crap out of Garza’s Sakura / Karin Back up, Udoneko was so pissed he threatened to never Post here again. No one talked about anyone’s momma or used racial slurs but the comments were that bad.
Hey forums are all about conversations and debate, that’s why we’re all here right?
I almost posted about something like that, I remember once Udoneko got upset about a post and threatened not to post again, I cannot remember the post that caused it though, I believe that’s why you got a little protective right? No offence intended but I see the logic if that’s the case, we want Erik to stay afterall lol.
Yeah, I may have gone overboard but I do that sometimes.