I second that notion.
Well I was kidding but since you brought it up…
Who did Seth Killian ever beat? Also, have you ever noticed how in tournament videos, the commentators (who are often top players) are always surprised when Guile does anything? It’s up to us to find out the extent of the tweaks, always has been. I doubt Keno gave Guile anything more than a glorified button check.
That’s why I take this new info with a grain of salt. People don’t play test the shit out of low tiers, c’mon. It takes months or even years to figure the match ups properly. it just means more time to figure what exactly did Capcom improve for Guile in the new game.
But dude Keno said that Seth said (somebody who has clearly played the new version far more times than Keno) HE IS STILL LOW TIER. Yeah you can take it as a grain of salt but it doesn’t take a way the fact that the statement was made.
From ultimate optimist to depressing pessimist in a few short posts!
First, Seth doesn’t make tier lists. Second, Guile was never going to be top tier anyway; he just needs to not be so easy to jump in on and cross up. Third, Seth has spent more time jerking off to Juri fan art than he has in the lab with Guile. So don’t cut the flattop just yet!
Ok, you guys are already talking about what Keno said. But I’m pretty fucking pissed off that Guile is still a low tier character. And apparently Sagat is even BETTER! What kind of bullshit is that! Keno also mentioned that there might be some 8-2 match-ups in the game! That doesn’t tell me that the game is balanced. I know it’s still a little early to make claims about the game and all but I’m pissed right now so please forgive me. i just hope that Guile is at least mid tier. Come on Campcom, don’t fuck Guile over again. I’m not asking for a fucking S-tier, super damage output, awesome priority character. I just want the tools needed not to get beat just because someone picked a fucking better character for the match up. Bullshit!!! :annoy:
(Inhales… Exhales…)… Ok, I’m done. Just had to get that off my chest. :wgrin:
I don’t want my damn flat top I want my flock of seagulls hahaha
You’re right dude. I’m just really hoping that he isn’t screwed in this game.
Combo into ultra won’t move Guile up in the tiers. These are supeficial indicators of someone’s “tier placement”. Half of the time, there is something more than just having some simple combo that makes someone top tier or not. If someone said something like “guile still has terrible hitboxes on all of his moves, and his damage is stil low”, then I would see that as a legit reason to still brand him low tier. I am not going to say anyting about Keno’s credentials. But Keno is not a Guile player, nor does he probably have any idea of Guile’s tools. What makes Balrog good is not what make Guile good. Things like combos, and combos into ultra are big deals for Balrog, not Guile. Guile is a totally different character with a totally different mindset. I also remember back in the early SFIV days when Gootecks was pretty much saying Viper sucked as well as Akuma. Look where they sit on the tier list now.
I also remember WAY back in the days Justin Wong believing Ken is top tier, and believing Bison beats Ryu 7-3. I’m sure those opinions aren’t opninons he has now. Give characters time to evolve. I’m betting Keno didn’t see combo into ultra and was like “Guile is garbage”.
Agreed, especially since on one of latest blogs the devs said they were improving Guile’s footsies and pokes. We all know Guile doesn’t play like Rog at all, but it would be god damned nice to be able to combo into ultra.
combo into ultra IS a big deal for guile though. this would be his one opportunity in each round to hand out some above moderate damage. i hope he does have it, though now i’m guessing he probably doesn’t.
Nice, I don’t even play Guile but I like your logical approach to the situation. If everyone got so upset like a lot of these posts here low tier characters would never rise to higher ranks. You have to experiment and practice and think outside the box with some characters not just be like --oh fuck, some dude said he sucks, I’m just gonna go main Sagat.
Reduce damage on flash explosion, make it the only cancellable ultra.
Word here’s to hoping Keno didn’t even try combo into Ultra and he doesn’t know what’s really up. I just don’t really feel like playing character where he doesn’t have it, I’ve dealt with not having it since launch and it just annoys me. But you also have to take into consideration all the characters they are adding, that’s possibly why Guile is still low tier. All the other new characters are just better…sigh
**There’s still 1 more month left assuming they take 1 month to actually manufacture the game discs, box art, etc. Let’s just keep our fingers crossed.
yeah. combo into ultra isn’t enough for Guile. If I compare Boxer, he’s got high low mixups special mixups, safe specials, godly frame advantage to tick throw, range advantage, higher damage… $hit, the list goes on & on!**
**Mang, i can’t imagine SSF4 not being popular in Japan…
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see, i wouldn’t mind if there was a variety of characters who are better, as long as guile has combo into ultra. the problem i have is that i have to play 1234567890 ryu’s online, yet only 2% of them could beat me without combo into hadouken ultra. if they make this match fairer for guile, i’m happy. i don’t mind how bad the sagat match is, it’s always going to be bad. ryu just gets annoying because everyone selects him…mashes dp on block…into ultra…rinse and repeat. with sagat, unless you have the links/karas/spacing down, i’m most likely going to beat you.
I think you guys under estimate how much knowledge Keno has about Guile. He’s played against mtsackid consistently, who’s one of the best Guile players in America. Plus, he’s a really great player, so he can see how certain changes can affect the game as a whole.
Also, I forget who said it, but someone said not to trust Keno and Seth’s opinion cause they don’t know Guile’s play style and tools? Seth’s been playing Street Fighter for a decade; also, isn’t one of his jobs at Capcom helping balance characters? I don’t know about you guys, but after playing games in a series for 10 years, I’m pretty sure he would have a general idea of what each character’s play styles are and what tools they need to do well. Armed with that knowledge, if s.kill said Guile would probably be low tier again, I wouldn’t just brush that comment off.
I’m not taking Keno and S.kill’s words as set in stone or anything, but you best believe my expectations for Guile are waaaaay lower now.
Yeah that’s kind of what I was trying to get at. Like don’t take their opinions as the be all or end all but they said it and they have more experience than us. I hope Dee Jay is at least sick as hell that would give me an easy alt or main right there. Switching should be no problem with him it’s just a matter of different mind games.
mark my words, chun li is the charge character to switch to. deejay lost his cheapness (ex dread kicks into ultra). chun li has ex legs into qcf x2 + 3 p fireball ultra.