Akuma is balanced enough. Rog? Hah, you gotta be kidding. It’s not an over the top thing, but it’s just that his normals are unbeatable. Period. That’s enough to make him damn good. Not only that, but I think he does a bit too much damage, considering how fast his rushes are. Especially with the armor on his EX rushes. AND all the invuln frames he has. AND his comboable Ultra. Eh. He’s not Guile.
About the punishment argument: Guile has no big damage in 4. At all. I mean, if you have double meter, you can go for something like Cr.MP xx Super --> Ultra. But it doesn’t come up so often since EX Boom and EX FK come up enough. And raw/AA ultra isn’t exactly reliable. Most you can really hope for is s.HP xx FK (280). Of course, we know Guile isn’t about big ridiculous FADC combos or anything like that. EX FK should do significant damage a la Ken’s EX SRK (like 210 or 220 max). And I think EX SB having improved damage and/or knockdown would give Guile more punch without being anywhere near broken. These tweaks to his specials would give Guile some sting in the punishment department while being limited by meter.
ANYWAY… Who knows what we’ll be able to do with Sonic Hurricane. I’m excited about that shit.
I think risk/reward is something that needs to be worked out PERIOD in this game, not just with Guile, and i’ll say that in any thread. Guile definitely needs his punishment to count for more though, you can count the amount of mistakes your opponent is allowed to make per round and it might be close to the double digits, with alot of other characters it’s maybe 3 at most depending on what part of the round it is.
I too, think that Rog and akuma are the most balanced characters in the game
I agree with this (Akuma could use a bit more stun and health but hey).
There is nothing really wrong with Ryu, its the chunk of the cast thats unfinished where it becomes obvious that something is wrong.
Sagat on the other hand…
EDIT Changed my mind. There is something horribly wrong with the range of Ryu’s j.RH!
LoL. In deed. His taunt would be so gdlk. Best. Taunt. Ever. I don’t really like to use taunts either. 1. it opens me up. 2. i’d rather be doing something else like pummeling my opponent. But yes, imagine scoring a knock down and combing your hair! Who cares if you lost. The point is: your hair still looks cool.
Recently, my opponent would taunt me after scoring a knockdown (a lot of scrubby Kens do this on PSN for some sort of reason…). So then I knock them down. Taunt. Air throw. Taunt. and then I win the match. lol. Taunting should only be allowed if winning backs it up.
Hmm… idea of Guile combing his hair and throwing the comb as a projectile came into my mind…
Guile’s 3rd special move: comb throw! much like Cody’s knife throw. Okay, that’s some pretty far-fetched special move…
Yeah, Ken’s are only ones who taunt up the arse on PSN…no other character does it, cept’ Ken for some reason(don’t know if there being assholes or just taunting because Ken is arrogant and shows off)
If anything, he needs his combs! Have him through away the empty can of hair spray at them instead.
I always thought it was weird Guile’s intro is just like Charlie’s…but with sunglasses, instead of regular glasses. Anywho…Guile’s new intro has him with his back turned combing his hair, then turns around and cracks his neck muscles, left and right, then announces: “Misshun Stahrt!”
That “Mission start!” nonsense really grinds my gears…I have never met anybody in the military who even remotely speaks in such a manner. Not that Street Fighter has the most authentic representations of their characters…but it seems beyond silly IMHO. Makes Guile appear to be a robot.
“You know what grinds my gears…you America. Fuck you. I’m Peter Griffon…and that’s grinds’ my gears.” - Peter Griffon
Sorry man. You said that, and that was the first thing that came to mind when you said it. But I have always thought his Jap voice speaking english is badass. People make fun of it because we love Guile.
Perhaps the way to strengthen Guile is to… have a voice actor with better English skills? I don’t usually care for what he says. For the most part, I always skip the intro so I never get the “mission stirt” (no, not typo). Other than that, it’s not bad. All you hear is “sonic boom!” anyway and the occasional “somersault”.
The way to Strenghten guile is making charge time from 2 sec to 1.6 sec.
The end.
Anyhow Guile should not get major changes. His style unlike other characters is to OWN YOU ARSE in the most impressive way.
His sonic broom is ok, but it does so little damage people do not care for it (like abel, who can focus attack dash all day…), if it did a tad little more damage, it would be great (something like 60 instead of his current 50).
His damage output is laughably very low. Combos with out super (which is almost unused thanks to ex broom and flash kick usage) is not worth it. OH HE WHIFFED A SRK, I HAS NO SUPER OR ULTRA SO EAT 250+ DAMAGE. His normals needs to do some little more damage, I dont know which normal, but he needs some damage boost.
Also if his cr.mk got range boost by slight amount and came out a tad faster (1 or 2 frames shorter), it would be greater and better zoning tool against hadouken/tigah shot happy ryu/sagat.
If his sonic hurricane is combo able, more damage boost to his current ultra is required, not during the multi hits, but the last hit (if it did something like 300 damage by it self, it would be more useful than it is now) or make his current ultra “Auto correct” in similar manner to Rufus ultra or Bison’s.
Please do not give Guile drastic changes, it would make him overpowered/underpowered according to what path he is changed to. Slight tweaks and voila, he is done.