argh, come on man, don’t be an ass. You’re doing a lot of theorycrafting with no real experience to back it up. I alt guile and I know he’s low tier. But his one good matchup amongst the arcade roster is bison, and I wasn’t the one who came up with it. If your guile feels like a 5-5 against bison, then it’s really just you who’re doing it wrong.
Give both sides an honest try first before downplaying your main.
I get what you’re saying and I agree. I don’t claim to be a top player (like you said, I don’t have the time to invest). I pulled out the tierlist because (as it inevitably is), guile being low tier always gets brought up in arguments like these.
How much experience do you need to say that Bison does more damage than Guile’s single hit damage that he gets when he’s playing perfectly? Guile has a slight advantage but you make it seem hopeless for reasons that could be used by any character in this game
we’ve already covered this, yes bison’s bnb does a bit more damage than guile’s single hits. But you keep on ignoring the fact that it’s incredibly difficult for bison to land hits. The dmg difference isn’t even that big to begin with, and guile’s zoning is not just a slight advantage. Jesus christ man, seriously try your own theories out. I’m sure you have buddies who main guile, pick dictator and try getting close AT ALL.
EDIT:
on top of what wootstick said, the biggest advantage for guile comes from the lack of need to guess dictator’s approach. It’s never a scenario where guile guesses wrong and eat big combo. He can do all of those by watching what dictator does in response to a SB, and pull out the counter-move on reaction.
Yeah everyone always brings up the dumb tier lists, it really makes me mad that they show Guile so damn low when in truth it really isn’t that way at all if you know how to play him.
That’s why you tell the haters fuck you and pass the blunt to Guile on your left.
Tier lists change all the time, but yeah unless you play at tournaments with people who know all their options like the back of their hand they don’t matter.
I will not lie though, a guile match is much scarier than a Sagat match at a tournament.
i opened it in photoshop and the angles are identical for both. It’s the fact that the 1st one is an angled image to begin with, which makes it even more elusive to the eye.
Ok well at the start of a sagat match i can walk a step back and throw a lp boom. If sagat throws a fireball sometimes i can backhand him, if he tiger knees he might get hit or im at the advantage. If he jumps he gets hit by the booms.
In my experience, the only way it looks like bison has no chance is when you’re anti-airing him each and everytime perfectly so that you never ever get cornered. Honestly if you’re playing that well, you deserve to win imo. Looking at those lists, some say dan is 5-5 with guile and the latest says 6-4, you have to think Bison has a better chance against Guile than Dan.
in-game camera has nothing to do with the camcorder that shot the video. The image on screen is 2D, there’s no angle that only makes part of the image shrink (guile’s ankle). If you look a little closer, the guile on the right is “fatter”, which implies his leg should actually be horizontally longer. But this is clearly not the case.
no, just no. The angle of the camcorder is the one making all the difference.
Use the super bar as the point of reference. Start with the left picture
Then draw a degree for his leg and put it back onto the super bar.
Then do the same for the right picture.
The angles are identical.
You’re thinking like megadeth, which is totally wrong. The camcorder is tilted, giving the illusion of what you believe it is true. It’s simple depth perception and geometry.
how do you explain how Guile’s RH is able to cut out past the screen? exactly what angle would give us that illusion, geometry boy? How do you explain why this scenario can’t be replicated on vanilla? Guy has magic properties that allow his opponent to get even closer than normal? I’m not 100% guarenteeing that his RH has been changed, but I’m not shooting down others opinions like a condescending douchebag either.
I see where you’re coming from, and indeed megadeth’s height comparison was incorrect. But that wasn’t what I was referring to, I circled out what I was talking about.
I’m guessing he means link into instead of from for cr. mp. That helps. Sucks about Reverse Flip Kick (best looking move in SF history) but hopefully it will still have its uses. Nice to hear some good stuff about the haircut, and if his corner pressure game is better, I want to see what Dagger and Gilley can do now
Would be crazy to see another combo vid like that Guile one for SF4’s launch.
Also, if FK is recovering a lot quicker like it did in those Korean build vids, maybe a Balrog style Ultra combo is possible?
