Jesus christ you guys are so bitch made it’s not even funny.
This is very simple.
Capcom owns exclusive rights to the entirety of the SF and SF related products.
They can do whatever they like with them.
Period.
They did not lie,and truth be told you do not own the content of the disk in you’re grimy dick skinners.
You own the physical disk itself but the content is leased with permission.
Permission that can be altered or taken away at a moments notice with or without prior notice.
Quit whining and speak with you’re wallets not you’re softer then a baby’s ass opinions.
yeah, they cut them back after everything was finished. why? that’s my question. i mean, capcom had a full roster, but decided to withhold enough to be able and nickel-and-dime later on down the road. if it was meant to rejuvenate the game after 6 months, well then i guess they knew that this wasn’t going to be a game that could stand the test of time.
TRUE DLC content is downloaded because it was not, for whatever reason, included in the disc. i don’t have a beef with whether or not things were finished prior to the release of the game, but we’re paying to unlock complete characters that are already in the game. we’re paying for a key to a room in a house that we purchased already, versus paying to get a new wing built to our already existing home. there’s a difference.
in the end…what are we “downloading” in DLC?
your cable analogy is a stretch, but i’ll bite. when you purchase cable, you purchase access to certain channels. you can get additional channels at an added cost. is that what you’re implying? because if it is, then i wholeheartedly agree. but what i’m seeing, while keeping within your analogy, is that the cable box you purchased already has access to HBO and has no problem getting to the channel, but the remote that came with the cable box doesn’t have a complete set of numbers so you can’t access the channel without purchasing the missing # buttons.
i bought the disc. anything and everything on that disc rightfully belongs to me, whether i know what it is or not. it was sold to me as “complete”, but am being told that on a later date, it will be “MORE complete” for an additional cost. there is nothing to download, nothing extra, because we’ve had it this entire time…but we just can’t use it unless we pay the company that was already paid, more money.
Nothing on that disc belongs to you. You bought a disc, and you bought the permission to play the unlocked content that is on the disc. This is how almost all software works, whether it be a game or a program.
Again, they didn’t cut back anything after it was finished. The DLC characters were ALWAYS DLC characters.
“the content is leased”? what in the world are you talking about. you bought a product, and it can be used however you want to use it. if you want a $60 coaster, then you have a $60 coaster. how can they alter or take away aforementioned “leased content”? if i want to play the game in the privacy of my own home with a hacked 360, what can they do? how did i lease it? last time i checked, i PURCHASED the disc and whatever was on it…i didn’t LEASE anything. will they revoke my right to play a game i bought by coming to your house and physically taking it away from you? how? please, share with me.
RetroKid, I’m beginning to see what you are avoiding to accept. This could well be an educational moment for you. Nobody is flaming, this can be positive.
You do not own the contents on disc in the way you think. You own the right to do whatever it is that was promised by the publisher, then crafted by the developer, and delivered to you. In simple terms; you spent $60 to play a fighting game online or off with a set number of characters and little gems to toy with. This is what was promised. If, somehow, the entirety of Street Fighter 5: Turbo was on disc - that’s not promised to you. You don’t have a right sue or go to the BBB about it or say suddenly your purchase was incomplete. You cannot.
Except Capcom isn’t right. Of course it’s going to sound like they’re right when you take something they say and say “hmm well Capcom says it’s so, so it must be.” If you think Capcom is right, then you never had an idea of what DLC was to begin with. Or maybe you’re just okay with paying more (why? Do you really think a company like Capcom deserves more money when Desk play tests more than they do?)
People behind the new DLC are pretty smart. They know they’re ripping you off and they actually have people coming to defend them. I mean, how else would Activision get away with licensing you new maps for your 360?
How it should be:
Development -> Game completed -> I want more money, so let’s make new content and charge for it / I love my fans, so here is some free shit (somehow this happens sometimes) -> DLC is developed -> DLC is finished -> DLC released
How it can be (due to time constraints):
Development -> DLC is developed -> Game completed -> I want more money, so let’s charge for that additional content when it’s done / I love my fans, here’s stuff we couldn’t finish in time (somehow happens sometimes) -> DLC is finished -> DLC released
How it’s becoming:
Development -> Game completed -> I want more money, so let’s disable some of this content -> “DLC” (license to play) released
All of which is perfectly legal because lobbyists have almost completely conquered copyright and digital rights management. So yeah, all you can really do is vote with your wallet. This was actually one of the main reasons people are so hung up about physical distribution vs digital distribution…
^-- There’s no need to put “Capcom” in your statement: it’s a generic “problem” and an ongoing area of business experimentation. For example, I understand some big company that rhymes with Bikerosoft also will sell you a DVD, and you get what’s on it that you paid for. If you want more than what you paid for, you can opt into buying the appropriate key (via Windows Anytime Upgrade) and unlock the other nifty(?) things on that DVD. It turns out that doing this sort of thing saves a phenomenal amount of money in distribution costs. And that’s for a huge-ass corporation. That kind of money probably matters way more to Clapcom.
You’re not paying attention. Both the DLC that is on-disc and the DLC that is being downloaded are finished before the game is released. Those map packs that Activision releases 3 months after CoD comes out, they’ve been finished, but Activision was just holding onto them in order to lengthen the life of the game. Capcom was trying to save money (and reduce the amount of patches being released) by putting that information on the disc. You don’t own the content either way, so how it is delivered is irrelevant. If anything, Capcom is saving you some time and bandwidth by including the information on the disc.
I don’t necessarily agree with the DLC practices; I’m only stating what is happening. If you want to protest this DLC fiasco, then you have to avoid nearly all DLC and not just disc-locked DLC. Another option would be to not by ANY game with DLC announced or hinted at.
My only some what legitimate complaint was when they over hyped 3SOE, BUT the price point softened the blow over time. IIRC from Capcom’s history, their business practice ain’t nothing new when it comes to pissing on everyone’s parade, they just keep adapting to new ways.
I’d rebut that if times are that hard for anyone, to the point where a company’s DLC practice are taken personally as an attack against one’s finances, they should probably reconsider their expenses.
I guess it does come down to value in a way. I feel SFxT is worth $60, even after hearing about the DLC characters. I feel it’s conceptually complete with some tweaks needed (that will be delivered for free). $1 costumes are fine. Discounted costume packs are better. $20 for 12 characters is fantastic. I’ll probably pay $100 or so when it’s all said and done, and that’s fine. I spent more on one night in a club. Not saying I got it like that, but let’s be honest - this particular community got all versions of SF2/SF4/MvC3 and sticks.
So I don’t understand either how people pretend money’s this thing that has to be spent and it’s the fault of venders for directing them a certain way. Blows my mind, but I’m glad common sense is ringing through that Capcom didn’t do anything illegal so much as frowned upon. Vote with your wallets, people.
