Shuma and Dormammu are not gods. Shuma is an “old one”, Dormammu and Morrigan are both exceptionally powerful demon lords who are rulers of their own dimensions.
Yea, in the anime viper bodied cammy pretty hard, who seem to be around the same as chun li and guile.
One would think she’s slightly above ryu (non-SnH), who is above chun li, but below bison and juri, who are both above seth (also above non-SnH ryu)…in sf4 anyway.
Well, that’s an analysis on the anime and ssf4 endings anyway.
A lot of people don’t understand that if a character has done something incredible once, doesn’t automatically make him more powerful; the power has to be consistently used over the years for it to make it meaningful. An example would be Doom’s preparedness, which is a valid point as he continually create plots that work until the heroes pull some shit from their behind to ruin it. Iron Man is the same as well, as he can consistently create a xxx-buster armor against certain risks.
What you don’t count as a valid attribute though, is the RESULT of such preparedness - saying doom is always extremely powerful because he had the beyonder’s power that one time (whether or not the beyonder lets him) is a stupid point, just as Iron Man possessing the reality gem or having worn the Thorbuster armor is not something IM consistently use.
Well here is my Marvel list:
Shuma
Galactus
Phoenix, Dormmy
Dr. Strange
Thor
Ghost Rider
Nova
Super Skrull
Magneto
Storm
Hulk
Dr. Doom
Iron Man
MODOK
She Hulk
Spider Man
Iron Fist
Deadpool
Wolverine/X-23
Captain America
Sentinel
Taskmaster/Hawkeye
That is how I see it. Cap gets bumped above Sent due to the literal plot shield he carries around.
I never ceases to amaze me that you guys are still trying to shoehorn guys like Shuma, Dorm, Strange, into the top spots of Marvels tier lists. It’s shameful. You all have to know, in the deepest recesses of your hearts that there is only one Marvel character that can take the top spot on the list; Hulk.
Hulk strongest.
Yahtzee!
plot armour doesn’t get taken into account because it’s just that. Plot armour. You think Cap could do half the shit he does with just ‘Peak’ or slightly above human potential? Throw his shield at supersonic speed, beat heroes that could blitz him or just destroy him even with his shield.
Or what about characters that 99% of the time their being held back by the writers because they’d just destroy everything they could throw at them and outshine the other characters? Multiple moments where a character gets put into a situation he never should be in to begin with come to mind. The story sets the power-level for the character. If a writer doesn’t follow it because ‘lol Captain America knocks out Hulk in four panels because another hero that, for all intent and purposes should be more powerful than him, needs help against the Hulk who is more powerful than those two combined.’ it’s just dumb. That’s just jobbing and it shouldn’t happen. Captain America is the jobbing master because everyone jobs against him because he has plot armour.
However, plot armour can be well written in a story-line if it can make sense. In Guile’s alpha story he has plot armour because he’s in the next game canonically. How does he not die? Charlie sacrifices himself for him because at that point in time him holding back M.Bison is the only way for Guile to survive since Charlie is the stronger of the two and can actually fight M.Bison. See? Plot Armour that’s not jobbing.
I stopped paying attention to him from back here.
You read the last issue of Incredible Hulks? If that doesn’t say “strongest” I don’t know what does.
The reson why hulk is so high is because is so high is because after he was resurrected he gained the ability to absorb dark magic and turn it into more power which is what dr stange is entirely. Infact he should be second on the list
Dude hulk punched a hole in the space time continuum he was so mad. And literally he gets stronger the madder he is and its stated that its potentially infinely strong as long as he keeps getting madder and madder
LOL, it’s funny because even though none of that is true, there are certain writers I wouldn’t put past to actually do that. Shoutouts to Jeph Loeb. That said, Juggernaut punched through time and space when he got all the power of Cytorrak that one time.
I see no reason why for me to not believe that Hulk punched through time and space. I believe this.
What you just described isn’t exactly plot armor. It’s more of buffing someone past their known peak.You’re confusing the two.
Secondly, depending on who the character is, them winning/surviving against a more powerful character is suspension of disbelief. It’s something that readers have to deal with. You really don’t have many choices on who goes against who when The Avengers are involved. Cap will always fight the big bad at some point and, win or lose, the writers will show you exactly why he was the leader of a clearly defined, mostly super hero team. Will he need their help at some point? Eventually yes. But being the character he is, he is portrayed to have more skill and battle smarts than luck. And that something you can’t ever take from him. Being that type of character will, 99% of the time, allow you to believe that he is more then meets the eye. With that being said…
Marvel has taken this character mold to the extreme with Wolverine, not Captain America. Cap will openly lose if it’s known he can’t win. Wolverine will just overpower your imagination with feats like defeating Lucifer himself.
And in regards to Alpha 3’s story, it was, for all intents and purposes, made after SF2. It’s was supposed to allow certain characters to live so they could compete in SF2. If we are going by that logic, the ENTIRE CAST of SF2 has plot armor. ESPECIALLY Bison. And then there’s SF4 which undoes the important death of a certain Shoto master…sigh…
There seems to be a lotta doggin’ on Cap for some reason. What’s up with that? It’s not like every time he makes an appearance he’s wearing plot armor. In fact, it’s hardly at all. I feel like someone needs to clear up exactly how he operates, so because I’m avoiding homework right now, I’ll go ahead an’ do it. Quick warning, I’ll be goin’ into comic book nerd real quick for this post, so bear with me.
Captain America’s “peak human.” What does peak human mean? Whatever Marvel wants it to mean. It’s not like it’s something average people like you and me can do. It’s not even something that professional athletes, and Olympic level champions can do. There’s no such thing as a “perfect” human in real life, so Marvel’s at liberty to define that how they see fit, and the way they see it is just below what they define as “super” human but still a fair ways above the best athletic people we have in real life. They’re fast enough to dodge bullets, strong enough to lift a lil’ less than a ton, smart enough to think and react faster than most, etc etc. With that established, let’s look onto his prime weapon, his shield.
His shield is made of Vibranium, the made up metallic substance that has a few interesting properties of its own. It’s able to absorb energy. To be more specific, vibrations. Vibrations–Vibranium, see what they did there? Those vibrations can be anything from kinetic energy, to energy blasts, to shockwaves, and whatever else vibrates. What does it do with those vibrations? It stores it. That kinetic energy turns into potential energy, and it’s because of that one property that vibranium as a metal is almost indestructible. So what happens when you have a shield made out of the stuff? You get a nigh indestructible shield.
So you see Cap, a “perfect” human, perfect soldier to be more precise, wielding this perfect shield, and going up against big heavy hitters, an’ you’re thinkin’ to yourself, “Hold up a minute, I know he’s strong, but he’s no where near on the same level as Iron Man or Hulk or Thor. How in the world is he still moving after taking a hit like that? More importantly, how is he hitting hard enough to actually hurt them? Clearly PIS (plot induced stupidity).” Not really.
Once again, look over the properties of the shield. It’s able to absorb energy. All those punches those heavy hitters land on that shield gets absorbed by that shield, and Cap only takes a small brunt of the blow. And when he needs to hit back, he hits back with the shield, and all that energy the shield stored up is released on impact. You ever wonder why that shield is able to ricochet the way it does so effortlessly? Same reason. So any time you see Cap going against someone who’s clearly out of his weight division, don’t automatically write it off as PIS, plot armor, or whatever other terms you got that means silly stuff for the story, because then you’d be writing off his entire history. He’s not just this extremely lucky guy that projects this insane jobber aura. He’s the perfect soldier with the perfect weapon and the battle smarts, skills, and cunning mind to know how to approach seemingly impossible situations and get out alive. That’s why he’s the guy that’s usually leading the other guys, the guys with real super powers.
So give credit to where it’s due.
With all that said, don’t think that writers don’t know he doesn’t have his limits. His shield has been broken, and he has been beaten before. In fact, that very thing just happened in a story Marvel’s writing. You mighta heard about it. It’s called Fear Itself.
While I honestly give Cap credit… anybody who receives the business of anything involving that which is of the Hulk, “strongest there is” (again… Hulk), or Hulk smash, has to be of an ethereal plane to not be saved by plot armor… for they would have been disintegrated otherwise.
Thank plot armor for this game not crashing when ever Hulk smash.
Thanks plot armor… planks.
Completely understandable, and duly noted. My mistake then. Carry on.
speaking of writing
who remembers when it was said hulk has never killed anybody even by accidents when he brings down entire buildings full of people , because Bruce makes him hit it so that it falls without harming anybody
lol classic
I remember that. If I remember it was the end of world war Hulk. Wasn’t that convenient? I hate when comics come up with outworldly shit to make a characters bad shit go away. They also said that HULK has some kind of homing beacon back to earth…wha whut?
Apparently, Hulk can trace his way back to the site of the accident that changed him. No matter where he is in the universe, which I can totally understand.
Uhm and why can you understand this?
Because the only thing you need to understand is Hulk is Strongest There Is. Once that key thing is set, everything else just falls into place.
Aside from the above answer, which should be all you need to know, if Marvel were to explain it, it would probably have to do with the type of radiation readings at the site itself and Hulk’s complete exposure to it has those exact readings imprinted in his DNA, giving him a beacon to aim for.
At least, that’s how I would explain it.