why is cammy so hated online and in streams but seth, viper , akuma and ibuki are acceptable? am i missing something?
I can’t speak for anyone else. But with the other characters you’ve mentioned, they seem to have to be more strategic in their offense, and there isn’t that feeling of frustration when facing them. Cammy seems to be designed in such a way that she can just absolutely take over a match with constant (almost unreasonable) pressure, and in such a way that you feel like you’re losing to the character rather than the player. Where as the other characters mentioned seem to have more practical weaknesses, Cammy seems not only well rounded, but fast AND able to dish out amazing amounts of damage in regular combos. The mixups, dash speeds, meter build up, start up invincibility, anti-air, and guessing games are all extremely formidable (maybe too much so). Alioune was correct to rate her as second best in the game, as was Daigo when he listed her as top three.
oh ok makes sense when u put it that way
Who is considered the best atm anyways?
Seth, Viper and Akuma don’t get mained by a stream commentator who states they’re mid tier.
My hate for Cammy is a bit different. I hate Cammy players that switched to her (aka bandwaggoners), auto pilot, and are really bad. Prime example this Cammy:
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Shit punishes
Shit spacing
Shit setups
Doesn’t know optimized combos
Saw HK spiral arrow didn’t hit twice at the end of a combo, STILL continued to use HK
Went from the #7 Chun in Japan to just another Cammy player…and won…
Why other people hate Cammy?
She hits like a grown man
Great mixups (almost all the top characters have great mixups though: Seth, Viper, Cammy, Akuma…)
Really good normals
They lose to Cammys like the one mentioned earlier.
i guess people will hate regardless if they get thrashed by cammy on ranked match or anywhere else. im not pointing any fingers at any t hawk players but some ppl just get salty. i dont complain when i get murdered by seth, sakura or zangief
Because C.Viper is a better character to play as and more interesting.
I absolutely disagree. this cammy is really good. his setups were on point and OS’d throw to beat ex roll. and whiffed punished f+mk. his lk arrows are spaced properly. he used HK Spiral (1hit) to setup safejumps OS throw (no quick stand)
you cant fault him just for using simple bnbs.
I am not here to argue really, but I would like to state some facts.
Mashing grab after a jumping attack is not an OS.
He whiff punished a couple of wheel kicks and a s.LK, nothing more.
For whatever reason the Abel player let the Cammy player grab him out of f.MK xx dash even though it is +1 on block…
Yes, he did space his LK SA well, then did it again and got crumpled.
He was playing as if Cammy had Chun’s jump arc.
He did nothing with the backthrow throw he landed.
I do not fault anyone for using simple bnbs, as long they do it correctly.
Seth / Cammy / Akuma
step kick +1 since when?
Since ever?
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7f startup / 2f active / 16f recovery
0 on block, +3 on hit
Abel has a 16 frame dash
cancelling 1 active frame (assuming you hit on the first active frame) and 16 frames of recovery with a 16 frame dash
17 - 16 = 1, so you are left at +1
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People throw after blocking stepkick because it will beat anything Abel tries to do except for Tornado Throw. It turns the standard Abel 50/50 of TT/close fierce after blocked stepkick against him when you can choose EX strike/throw to beat each option and either get a huge combo or a throw + killer setup afterwards.
Well, if people are hating on Cammy or calling it bandwaggoners tier etc, I guess its something positive? Back in AE days, no one gives a damn about Cammy. That’s worst then being hated I guess lol.
@Floor
You absolutely have the right to hate on any characters you want but here’s my input. I’m not trying to troll you or anything and since I understand where you are coming from, feel free to ignore mine if you wish. I’m just writing this for the sake of discussion since we are getting good info out of this.
Shit punishes
Shit spacing
Shit setups
Doesn’t know optimized combos
Saw HK spiral arrow didn’t hit twice at the end of a combo, STILL continued to use HK
Seems a little too quick to pass judgement no? We can’t really say the Cammy doesn’t know optimized combos just because he or she doesn’t use it. There’s also plenty of good players that can win without really doing any setups. The part where his mashing the grab could have also be that the Cammy predicted he would do it. Abel in the corner, with Cammy ambiguous setup, not that difficult to read that kind of situation. Plus, the Cammy was OSing. There’s one around 1:04-1:07.
About spacing, this I would like to hear. Don’t really see any footsies game going on. Game is too short and Cammy is just pushing forward as fast as possible.
It’s just one match and I feel it’s a little too premature to call it.
Why other people hate Cammy?
She hits like a grown man
Great mixups (almost all the top characters have great mixups though: Seth, Viper, Cammy, Akuma…)
Really good normals
They lose to Cammys like the one mentioned earlier.
Cammy’s high damage is mainly 1 framers and character specific combos. Her bnbs or generic combos don’t do a lot of damage. Don’t see people hating on E.Ryu because of his damage.
I disagree about her having great mixups. All she has is her dive kick vortex which must also be tied to the correct combo for the effect and character specific. To score a knock down with Cammy is not as straight forward as other characters. People who fall to auto pilot divekicks don’t know the match up well enough. Her dive kick is very punishable if you just do it as if its invincible.
About her having good normals. It’s justified. She has no safe move, no chip, worst throw range, no over head. Cody has even stronger normals but he has safe move, chip, better throw range, overhead.
Losing to another character and hating it its pretty normal. So long as its not blind hate, I think it’s reasonable to feel frustrated sometimes when you lose, especially to top tiers. Just make sure to look to improve when the dust has settled.
Again, purely for discussion sake. Cheers.
That’s funny really because that is when I got serious about playing Cammy.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t hate Cammy at all. Actually the only character I hate is Dictator, and I will hate on that character all day. I am not about to ignore someone who is trying to have a good discussion. I ain’t no Bison player…
For this one player, yes it is too quick to pass judgement. However, I was speaking of most “new” Cammy players. I have basically seen that same match with numerous other Cammys. Almost every Cammy does c.HP, c.MK xx HK arrow. As for spacing this is the best way I know to explain:
Wanted to jump in with HK, no problem, it’s a good jump-in.
It’s not like the Abel was moving anywhere, ya know with his amazing walk speed and all.
14K BP in (which is a lot of matches), still jumps thinking Cammy has Chun-Li’s jump arc.
Even the jump-in after the first stun wasn’t spaced right.
To me at least, one framers are not an excuse. I personally don’t do c.LK, c.LP, c.MP xx HK arrow. I do either c.LP, cs.HP, c.MK xx HK/MK arrow or c.LK, c.LP, s.LP, c.MK xx HK/MK arrow as my bread and butters. Not trying to show off or anything but I do those combos because the basic bnb doesn’t do enough damage. I hold myself to a high execution standard. I do these “hard” combos so I can win a round in one less mixup than someone who just does the c.LK, c.LP, c.MP xx HK arrow bnb. As you said below, getting knockdowns with Cammy is not all that easy.
I say that her mixup is great because HK arrow puts the opponent into a left / right situation. That coupled with the fact that she can combo into c.HK for a hard knockdown is pretty good. Her mixup isn’t as good as Akuma of course. But like him, Cammy’s combos lead into her vortex over and over. Viper, not so much. Seth, yes, but not so much as Akuma or Cammy. If Seth combos into legs, he doesn’t have a solid left / right mixup. He can teleport over to the opponent, but that puts him at -1. Granted, Seth still gets a SPD / SRK mixup, but that isn’t nearly as safe or meter dependant as Cammy’s or Akuma’s vortex.
Cody does have safe moves, chip, better throw range and an overhead. And it is justified. Cody can’t combo from c.LK, it’s only +2 on hit, which is, at least to me, why he was given an overhead. He has better throw range but cannot do as much with the hard knockdown like Cammy can. I don’t fear Cody’s throw as much as I do Cammy’s.
Cammy could have been his secondary to begin with
Boy if that Cammy match is considered bad then I can’t wait to see some good Cammy play.
That cammy is ALOT better than mine. Im the worst Street fighter player ever.
There’s no way people hate Cammy more than they hate Elf.