Cammy General Discussion: To Bee or not to Bee

scythe_master · December 23, 2015, 11:51pm

I was relatively surprised at the amount of people willing to just press buttons on wakeup. There were several matches i won because the opponent woke up with buttons every time and just refused to block

driftlogic · December 24, 2015, 12:05am

Yeah, I played a ‘wait and see’ sort of style I guess you could say only really choosing to rush down after I had trained my opponent. A lot of my gimicky shit would work because of what you mentioned, players just waking up with buttons and eating hooligan > razor, b+strong, and F+RH into buttons or just plain taking throws. I played one match against a Laura in full ST mode, walking her down and applying some old school pressure with buttons and random CS when I felt she was gonna try and jump out of the corner or press a button.

Cipher · December 24, 2015, 12:21am

I played CVS2 mode.
I was basicly a wall that walked forward ,punishing every jump-in and every mistake. I played really aggresiv, but more relaid on my buttons for it. CVS2 style.
I mostly used M Hooligan against fireballs, the throwrange is amazing.

Yunity · December 24, 2015, 12:27am

Not sure if its been noted but:

Beta 3:

4 CC st. hk build full vt (Dummy built 2/3 of what i built)
6 CC cr. hk build full vt
10 V-Skill hits build full vt
9 V-Skill counter hits build full vt
20 V-Skill blocked build full vt

Could not find anything else that built vt gauge other than getting hit.

carups · December 24, 2015, 2:40am

Muttonman:

Rayartz:

Fatal_Error_XI:

Did anyone else have that classic problem of trying to walk forward or back and forth, then do a spiral arrow, but get a canon spike?

It’s similar to the shoto walk forward then fireball, except with shotos if you do the fireball as a HCF motion you would not get DP. This was not the case with Cammy.

No matter what, I could not stop her DP from coming out unless I was standing still. This made it really annoying to react to fireballs with EX Drill. I got EX DP so many times.

Yes, lol - I’ve always hated that!
I was able to negate this by making sure I went D/B before throw the Fireball or Spiral Arrow
of if you’re quick enough and have solid execution let the stick go back to neutral before doing the motions.
CPU will read the neutral and forget the forward

@cheekybiznass
My setups were just basically hit confirming combos for example.
F+HK, Cr. Mp xx SA xx CA (using MK) or St. Mp, Cr. Mp xx SA xx CA
Basically whatever you’re canceling into SA or CS into you’ve already got the hit confirm you need so don’t have to worry about it missing.
kinda like Ryu’s Cr. Mk xx Hadouken xx CA

Within VT you can do the above combos but the SA must pass all the way through and you essentially have to the motions backwards because you’ll be facing the opposite direction. I also always used LK CA for this (damage doesn’t change) but the distance does and if you’re close to the corner MK can miss.
I landed this combo a TON in Beta 3: F+Hk, Cr. Mp VTC St. Hp xx SA xx CA
You can take this same combo with 1 bar and use EX CS if you’re VT gauge is dry.

If you want to use meter I stole an idea from my Karin play and basically Floe.
Say you land St. Mp, Cr. Mp xx CS for the knock down you can EX Hooligan +Hk for Drill. If it hits you can jab, dash under and continue pressure as you see fit.

Hope that helps!

Basically the rule of thumb in modern SF games is to do crouching moves at a 1 postion (downback) if you plan on canceling into a 236 (QCF) motion. That way when you rotate forward it reads as a half circle and gives you the Hadoken/Spiral Arrow/whatnot. It’s also a decent idea to do that with charge moves in SFV because charge supers are 2x QCF so it gets one of them out of the way.

Just don’t do like what I did. The amount of times I got hooligan instead of Spiral Arrow after cr.mp is infuriating. Don’t even touch downback if you’re coming from cr.mp.

Numbers seem really high regarding V-Skill. How does others like Nash or Ryu compare?

I thought CVS2 Cammy was a monster due good normals and the mixup on grab/fierce which was fast like sf4 and plus on block. I also think this is the best way to play SFV Cammy right now, but she was introduced as a rushdown character and even has the hp of an offensive character. I believe she was nerfed out of her role.

Yunity · December 24, 2015, 4:15am

Nash

6 V-Skill
5 CC V-Skill

Ryu

24 Parries : did not check to see if you get additional bonus parrying multi hit moves. Seems like it might be a pita to setup.

Sanada-kun · December 24, 2015, 4:37am

The way I play really depends on my opponent, generally I try 2 play a defensive/footsie style. However I get more aggressive depending on the situation, like if see a weak point ,for example if my opponent struggles with cross ups I will use them more often. I do play a bit more aggressive than I should at times tho, trying to get out of that habit.

DevilJin_01 · December 24, 2015, 7:41am

Walk and press buttons. Walk and press buttons. Walk and press BUTTONS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv85czRtcYI

Cipher · December 24, 2015, 7:48am

And her divekick was extremly good and in K-Groove she had a run,one of the best hops in the game and dealed extra damage.

For walkup pressure I did either st.mp-> st.mp or st.mp -> throw.

All I used was footsies,meatys,tickthrows and sometimes M Hooligans against fireballs, but I used Backfist more often against fireballs,than her Hooligan.

And she was introduced as Rushdown char,but on the Capcom Panel Cammy was clearly classified as:
Rushdown heavy character. Yet she is footsies based!

Rushdown can either be pressure,tickthrows and meaty/throw mixups. Or SFIV 50/50 divekicks 24/7.
I actually prefere a character that can pressure with normals. Hell you can even punish Hadoken on block with cr.mk most of the time, what else do you want?

d3v · December 24, 2015, 8:12am

Well, rushdown in the “dark ages” games was still very footsies based.

Karsticles · December 24, 2015, 11:07am

Cipher · December 24, 2015, 3:15pm

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Walk and press buttons. Walk and press buttons. Walk and press BUTTONS

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Seriously,what weaknesses had Cammy in CVS2?
Her jump was really bad, but she had a excellent divekick.
And her Roll is on Chang level,basicly the worst in the game.
But I seriously can’t see something else.

-DP
-Insane Normals
-Stupid good damage
-Her run was extremly fast
-Her Hop was one of the fastest in the game
-Really good throw and pressureoptions
-Touch of Death Combos in C-Groove against low life characters.

I don’t know,she feeled like a wrecking train in this game.

scythe_master · December 24, 2015, 6:01pm

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The only other “weakness” was she had a fairly mediocre A-groove CC (custom combo)

Back on track, does anyone else feel that her sweep was completely underwhelming. It seems to be just ahort enough that it isnt that useful. So far it seems that laura probably has the best sweep in the game at least in terms of range, (and the ability to make it safe with a fireball before it) so unless its got some horrid frame data it seems to be top tier

Sephiroth73003 · December 24, 2015, 7:08pm

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Cipher:

DevilJin_01:

Walk and press buttons. Walk and press buttons. Walk and press BUTTONS

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Seriously,what weaknesses had Cammy in CVS2?
Her jump was really bad, but she had a excellent divekick.
And her Roll is on Chang level,basicly the worst in the game.
But I seriously can’t see something else.

-DP
-Insane Normals
-Stupid good damage
-Her run was extremly fast
-Her Hop was one of the fastest in the game
-Really good throw and pressureoptions
-Touch of Death Combos in C-Groove against low life characters.

I don’t know,she feeled like a wrecking train in this game.

The only other “weakness” was she had a fairly mediocre A-groove CC (custom combo)

Back on track, does anyone else feel that her sweep was completely underwhelming. It seems to be just ahort enough that it isnt that useful. So far it seems that laura probably has the best sweep in the game at least in terms of range, (and the ability to make it safe with a fireball before it) so unless its got some horrid frame data it seems to be top tier

It’s bad but you need to whiff punish some moves like st. MK’s with it. The way the hit boxes work is it seems sweeps pretty much universally your only whiff punish for a st. MK. You won’t be able to walk forward into a cr. MK against most of them on reaction for the whiff punish. However, the sweep will catch the extended hurtbox the cr. MK would go under giving you an easy option.

She and Ken have the worst sweeps in the game but they still have a pretty important purpose imo. Footsie’s are super homogenized in this game the more I look at it.

d3v · December 24, 2015, 9:12pm

Christmas Cammy stick art.

http://i.imgur.com/YtPVksb.jpg

Muttonman · December 24, 2015, 9:14pm

Now we need Hanukkah Karin and Eid Rashid

Cipher · December 25, 2015, 5:25am

Awesome Artwork.

Now I just need a Stick.

Jadow · December 26, 2015, 12:47am

Is there a difference between the different strengths of her Cannon Spike? I know the trajectory changes but how about startup speed or invisibility?

J_ism · December 26, 2015, 12:52am

LK starts up in 3 frames, MK starts up in 5, HK in 6. I think someone said they were all fully invincible for a time earlier in the thread, not sure though

d3v · December 26, 2015, 7:16am

Might as well dump the remainder of my recorded matches here.

Nothing truly impressive.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvLu5xSrSUs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CETgq_NlFic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOnMbfptUUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2ggH9nSY3o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-m7JX0kEIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipYltQ62UWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5fpd25xZE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOFYolbafWw