C.Viper Combos and Glitches

Shin_Kensou · February 19, 2009, 10:15pm

DevilJin_01:

Ok since my brother is secretly a Guilty Gear player (sits in training mode all day in that game) he’s been figuring out new methods for doing Viper’s moves.

Don’t think this has been posted before but kudos to anyone else who has already figured this out. Firstly he found IMO a really good method for performing c.HP, TK feint, c.HP consistantly. He doesn’t use 2 punch buttons only to perform the feint after the first c.HP. That’s probably the main reason why others and I were probably getting EX moves and what not coming out instead of the feint. He has a special method that requires all 3 punch buttons to perform. Sounds complicated at first but it actually makes things easier. People who have sticks can take advantage of this (if you’re using a pad I don’t know why you’re using Viper LOL).

Instead if you specifically hit c.HP, then motion qcb+HP, LP+MP you’ll get things to come out more consisntently. . Obviously after that combination just hit c.HP again and you have a 2 hit combo. This is because your fingers never touch the HP button you used to do c.HP. So in that way you won’t accidentally negative edge an EX TK or other unwanted move. Just watching him do it I saw hella consistency in performing that combination and realized I could do the same with practice.

So basically the idea is to start with c.HP, then immediately throw the joystick to the back direction and hit HP, then just as you hear the activation of the thunder knuckle hit LP+MP and you get HP TK Feint. Then hit c.HP right after the successful feint for the 2 hit combo.

EDIT: Just so people know I originally thought it was good to piano the motion in but that works better when you are trying to do HP TK feint by itself. It doesn’t seem to be super useful to HP TK feint but if you want to help your execution with it the piano method seems effective. If you are doing it off of a normal you have to wait until you hear the activation of the HP TK (the very quick couple frames where she is crouching to charge the TK) and then hit LP+MP or any other combination of 2 punches to cancel. I believe that’s what Kyrojenix was explaining earlier and that makes sense.

ahh word, i gave that method a try and fell short lol. the way i do it now is imbedded in my muscle memory so i’m having diffuculty changing it lol. kudos to your bro though good find indeed.

Downside · February 20, 2009, 4:04am

Edit: Nmd, I used the d, db, b, uf + K motion you guys been talking about and omg what a difference 1000x easier

Any tips on the input for following an Ex Seismo with a sjc burning kick? I can do it maybe 3/10 times by just quickly hiting d uf and sweeping all the way to b then K, but is there an easier way? A better motion?

Downside · February 20, 2009, 4:14am

Is it possible to combo into you Ultra from an ex burning kick? I been messing around with j.hk into ex burning kick into ultra in the corner but doesn’t seem like there is any timing that allows the ultra to hit.

BakedNinja · February 20, 2009, 4:19am

Dunno if this combo was posted but I got this out on a Ken that was stunned in the corner

Fully charged FA, Close FP, FP TK feint, d.FP, EX Seismo, MP TK, Ultra

Downside · February 20, 2009, 4:48am

You can cancel a MP tk into ultra? I know oyu can into super, but to ultra?

BakedNinja · February 20, 2009, 5:09am

It isn’t a cancel. It’s pretty much using MP TK instead up SJC Flame Kick after the EX Seismo. The MP TK “juggles” which allows the Ultra to connect. No need to cancel. Plus it just looks sexier

MAGUS1234 · February 20, 2009, 5:12am

SO im back to playing her, just too nice. Can anyone get hp tk (trade antiair) ex tk, link ultra? I cant get the ultra t connect, but I feel like it should…

BakedNinja · February 20, 2009, 5:45am

I’ve yet to see the opponents animation after being hit with EX TK in the air. How do they fall?

Downside · February 20, 2009, 10:11am

So I was messing around in training mode trying to find some uses for Ex Burning Kick, and I dunno if this has been mentioned but in a corner you can j.hk to w.burning kick sjxxEx Burning Kick for a 6 hit combo.

FullMetalRoss · February 20, 2009, 11:42am

I just tested and here are viper Ex Seismo follow ups by the numbers All ex sesimos were preformed after a st.hp

ex seismo hjc mp tk
Stun: 460
Damage: 306

Ex Seismo mk Flame Kick
Stun: 280
Damage: 290

Ex Seismo hjc hp TK (this works midscreen or corner but you have to be right next to them when the combo starts to get this midscreen)
STUN: 420
Damage: 266

Corner Ex Seismo mp tk, hp tk
Stun:565
Damage:355

Corner Ex Seismo hjc hp tk, hp tk
Stun: 525
Damage: 315

Corner Ex Seismo hjc SA, hp tk
Stun: 460
Damage: 294

Corner EX Seismo hjc mp tk, ex burning kick
Stun: 600
Damage: 390
Note: The feint that some japanese players use (like joe) isn’t actually necessary you just need to delay your hjc a little…

These are all the combos without Ultra that I could think of if you have another one let me know… Hopefully people know when they can add an ultra. But what this list basically says is unless you hit your seismo from hella far away and can’t do a mp tk, do a mp tk combo! or I guess if you want to be fancy and tack a super on at the end of that hp tk combo midscreen cause it does look dope.

Hyperhal · February 20, 2009, 12:03pm

I used to do this(actually, I thought everyone did this ), but that method was the main cause of myself getting EX TKs instead of a feint. I’m now using the 2-button method after obtaining console, and I find it easier for myself to get feints instead of straight EXes. I guess its preference, some people may embrace one, and others may embrace the other

For lp TK however, I do qcb+lp, mp+hp. It’s just a matter of whats easiest for my fingers to do

FullMetalRoss · February 20, 2009, 2:16pm

Editing my last post as I realized the Ex seismo hjc HP TK to super doesn’t work… cause you don’t have meter hahah. But it does work after focus, dash, lp seismo… and as I just checked youtube madteaparty apparently had the same idea…

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DevilJin_01 · February 20, 2009, 8:09pm

Yeah my brother seemed to do well with that method but now that you mention it…I’ve been trying it myself and more of the time I get EX than the actual cancel. Yet, my brother did say that he thought the method was better for cancelling HP TK’s by themselves. He does a regular 2 button cancel for combos because the timing isn’t as strict. I added that to my post later on and I’m starting to figure that out now. When I try that cancel method after the c.HP I end up throwing EX knuckle all over the place and look like a fool. :lol:

Guess I’ll go back to training and see what I find.

King_Zeal · February 21, 2009, 7:20pm

I’m having trouble pulling off Viper’s Focus Attack > EX Thunder Knuckle > Burst Time combo as shown in Trial 4 of her Challenge Mode. I can pull off all three, but Burst Time just won’t connect no matter how fast I input the command. Is there something I’m not seeing? Do I need to have the opponent in the corner or something?

Help, please!

WaveKyo · February 21, 2009, 10:45pm

Yeah, you need the opponent to be near the wall but with enough space behind him so you can fit in.

Yuna · February 22, 2009, 12:05am

Thus far, that is my single favorite Viper combo. Reminds me of overkill in Soulcalibur. Bitch I don’t give a shit if the announcer said KO! You aren’t going down yet!

FullMetalRoss · February 22, 2009, 1:41am

Thats not true. You can do it midscreen. Just make sure you buffer the dash and do the ex knuckle ASAP.

Gandido · February 22, 2009, 3:59am

Someone test the damage on this since I don’t have SF4 accessible here:

c.fierce xx TK feint c.fierce EX Seismo HJC RH Burning kick, fierce TK FADC tigerknee EX burning kick (2 hits)

FullMetalRoss · February 22, 2009, 5:29am

Ill check it when I get home. You are sure that connects? seems like they’d be to low after the fierce tk. But I’ll check it out.

Minerva_SC · February 22, 2009, 7:14am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=LQCAsXv9GSQ&feature=channel_page at 2:13, I believe it’s pretty much the same combo without the c.fiercex2, so yah it should hit. Would be one hell of a combo.