Makes the link easier since H BK in the air has a 4 frame faster start up than L BK and H BK moves up while I believe L BK moves more to the side.
What is the startup of jumping version of Heavy Burning kick?
17 frames. The light is 21.
Does this combo work with Dorm instead of Strange? (And can Viper capitalize off Dorm’s assists well in general?)
I’ve just recently started playing Viper (tentatively Viper/Doom/Dorm or Viper/IM/Dorm, though I’d be happy to hear team suggestions from you guys) and I came up with more or less the same combo SehMehNoV posted after playing around with her in training mode for a little bit.
It’s nice but I want something closer to the 850~950k viper combos I see people do (i.e. a “real” viper combo), making use of assists and whatnot since she’ll always be on point.
Wow I didn’t realize heavy BK was that fast. I was wondering why people don’t block my BK setups.
I dont think Viper with Dorm will work very well. I dont know if anyone found any combos with his assists but I could not find much with dark hole. And its hard to combo off purification. well for me at least. But what I was trying to do was seismo and then use purification to make them go higher. I might have gone about it wrong though. Also you could try:
Viper(Burn Kick)/Doom(Hidden Missiles)/Iron Man(Unibeam). or switch Iron Man and Dr. Doom. Im not sure whose a better anchor as I do not know Iron Man too well. I do feel Dr. Doom is a pretty good anchor though
Doom is an alright anchor, he’s definitely better at it than Iron Man. He’s not the scariest character ever and doesn’t gain a ton from X-Factor since his damage is already so high without it, but he’s a really solid character overall and can make comebacks against most teams/tactics. I can’t really say the same about Tony.
I’m not really against playing any character with her, as long as they’re not already in one of my teams (only making an exception for Doom since he seem to work particularly well with Viper and he’s one of my favorite characters anyway).
From what people seem to have been saying so far, it sounds like Vergil or Strider might be a good choice for the last spot, since they both seem to have good assists for her and work really well with Doom once she dies (though if I picked Strider, I’d probably anchor him over Doom).
I think the best character for that position varies alot. Alot of characters can go well with Viper/Doom. Your middle character helps you find what assist Doom should have. An example is if you have vergil with Rapid Slash, It might be better to have doom go with Missiles. This way you get horizontal and vertical coverage for Viper. Now if you go Viper/Dante/Doom. You might wanna go with Jam Session for Dante and Plasma Beam for Doom. But here are some teams that work well if you wanna play Viper with Doom.
You can try Hawkeye, Taskmaster, Trish, Iron Man, Strider, Vergil, Amaterasu, Dante, Magneto, Doctor Strange. All these characters can create a strong team with Viper and Doom.
There probably are alot more characters that can go well with Viper/Doom but find someone you like and try to make them fit. If you like Dormammu alot, I think you can get him to work well with your team.
I’ve been playing Viper(seismo), Spencer(slant), and Hawkeye(greyhound) for a while now and I really want to change my team up. I picked up Doom and now I’m trying to learn Viper/Doom relaunches with hidden missiles and plasma beam.
I’m having some trouble reliably relaunching with plasma beam. After the air series I land, call Doom, dp+L, 2147 L BK, s. S. Sometimes after the burn kick, the launcher wiffs. Anyone have advice on how to make it more reliable?
I wanna use Viper, Dante, Strider does anyone have any bnbs with this team. Im assuming viper can TOD with these assists im just finding it hard to incorporate them as im only just learning how she works. Any help would be appreciated thanks
Viper/Doom/Hiryu is one of her more perfect teams in my opinion. Marlin also has a pretty optimal team as well.
I’m debating swapping Vergil for Doom. I like Vergil on the team, but I’m thinking Doom might be the optimal 3rd BFF.
Oops thought this was the team thread lol. But yeah cover the niche that magneto did for her in Vanilla, a bit better honestly as that beam beats everything not buster
Fuuuuck - I just spent a little lab time putting Dorm (black hole) in between viper and doom and it has hella good combo, lockdown/mixup and reset potential.
Just start with Dorm’s assist first in the thunder knuckle loop and end with doom’s beam. The combo does around 930k with one hyper, almost 1.1 million with Dorm’s hyper added after burst time. It can be done anywhere on screen and i just tested on cap, doom, wolvie and zero.
You can also do something like this if you don’t like the thunder knuckle loop:
opener_ cr.M, H, thunder knuckle M~S, cr.M+black hole, H, thunder knuckle M, slightly delayed seismo L, sjc, air dash, j.C, j.S, M+doom beam, H, thunder knuckle M~S, wait for them to drop a little then M, H, S, j.M, blah blah finisher (you know the rest). I think that’s what I was doing at least…
I can make a vid of the combos this weekend - and maybe throw in a pretty sweet reset using black hole, too.
Viper, Doom and Dorm would be HELLA good together, no doubt.
Nice, that’s the team I want to use. Is it best to use Doom’s beam in the beginning of the combo, or is it more optimal to use it as a relaunch? I’ve been trying to learn to relaunch with Doom’s beam and I just can’t get it down.
you’d want to use dark hole first in the knuckle loop combo - otherwise you run the risk of the dark hole being off screen (the knuckle loops carry really far!)
Also, when using doom’s beam at the end of the combo - it’s not a relaunch. It’s just a combo continuation - the only launch is at the end of the combo right after the beam.
Otherwise, I guess if you used dark hole to mixup/open up the opponent - then you’d only be able to use doom’s beam as an assist and cut the knuckle loop a little short.
edit - for most other assists, you’d want to always use doom’s beam first to start the knuckle loop. just for dark hole it seems best to use dark hole first…
What do you think would make doom better with Viper than Vergil. I think Vergil benefits off Viper more than Doom does. I think they both are pretty equal in how well they work with Viper. But the reason I think Vergil might be better is becasue he has great dhc synergy with Viper
That should still be fine anyway, I was practicing knuckle loops with Doom earlier (hurray for learning real combos) and I still got around 900~1M with just Doom assist plus a DHC to Sphere Flame.
Edit: Oh yeah, I’ve been meaning to ask this. Is it just me or are the knuckle loop combos harder to do in the corner? For some reason I don’t have any problem doing it when I’m carrying the opponent mid-screen, but doing it in the corner feels a hell of a lot harder. Is there some trick to it I’m missing?
When I was practicing them I ended up changing the 
> [:l: x3] knuckles to have more and less :l:s (I think I was doing 2/2 or maybe 3/1) in the corner so they’d bounce higher and make hitting the all of the knuckles easier. Seems really tight to hit 3 :l: in a row when I start in the corner.
Well, I think Doom is a better overall character than Vergil, but mostly it’s because I think Plasma Beam is a much better assist than rapid slash. Both DHC beautifully into one and other.
Hey, I just made a video showing some C.Viper combos into Vergil Swords. No fancy combos really and I’m still fairly new to Viper.
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