C.viper Arcade / DLC changes SSF4

Screw it. The entire Viper army should just switch to Evil Ryu and tier whore the fuck out of everyone. <3

Hey, I feel the exact same way as you do. I picked up Viper in Vanilla, my first competitive SFIV and I was so hyped to play her. I dropped her for Sagat; thought she was too hard after all but here I am in Super, maining her. This is really disheartening, especially since she needs just a few tools to make her so much more viable.

I’m looking at a secondary character as well but just like you, I’ve put too much work into her to swap her as a main. I won’t let all the nights spent perfecting one single executional aspect be flushed down the drain. At my very first tourney I was asked if I didn’t want to just switch to another character.

I answered “FUCK YES I DO,” but then I added “but I’m too god damn proud to call it quits now.” It’s too late now, I love playing as Viper too much. Viper 'til the graveyard.

As someone just picking up Viper, it’s disheartening that she didn’t receive any buffs. With that said, I think they have her right where they want her on the tier list; it’s just not where any of us want her.

I still can’t get over “Seismic Toss”. lol. It’d be awesome if Viper got a command grab.
But she won’t. When can we start dropping SF4Viper discussions and move on to MvC3Viper discussions? :wink:

we’re gettin the same treatment as fuerte

capcom doesnt want “random” characters to be top tier upper or even middle tier

Tragedy being that making Viper “solid” instead of “random” would require very few changes indeed. Capcom just sucks… basically. SSFIV is kept together with bubblegum, string and twigs. The whole engine, gameplay and core mechanics are a mess imho. Too many inconsistencies. Sometimes I feel that, during the design process, they thought of one stupid thing (FADC Ultra for 50%) then had to put in other stupid things (Rufus health, EX Messiah, Abel Soulless for 90%, etc) to compensate. Now they find out that their game was retarded and are trying to fix things.

Althoughs somewhere along the line they realised they regretted putting Viper in, thus they are phasing her out of existence.

there are more changes that haven’t been released yet, I heard from a lil bird!,

dunno where you’re getting 90% from abels souless from. ex messiah kick is fine. rufus health is fine. the game engine is fine.

I was driving a point home. Reversal window, (lack of) blockstrings, Ultra’s for easy comebacks, corner/crossup inconsistencies, unblockables, hitbox issues, trade > ultra, etc. are not fine. Rufus health they adjusted, obviously meaning it wasn’t fine to begin with either.

Again. Driving a point home.

@Crizzle I’m scared to hope nowadays. Twould be nice, though.

Viper Unreleased Changes
Air BK now -6 on block
EX BK invincibility removed
lp TK now -11 on block
mp TK now -8 on block
hp TK now 13f startup
U1 damage down to 320, hitbox adjusted
U2 damage up to 410
ex seismo no longer has upper-body invincibility
far hk has been removed, and has been replaced with a move that resembles that of Cammy’s

I wouldn’t be surprised

Yo crizzy, hope you right and I hope they are good changes!!!

Lainy
Air BK now -6 on block <=== i will never air bk again haha
EX BK invincibility removed <=== what invincibility? theres barely any now… .
lp TK now -11 on block <====luckily I still have mp tk
mp TK now -8 on block <==== luckily I still have hp tk
hp TK now 13f startup <===== nm…haha it feels like 13f most of times anyways
U1 damage down to 320, hitbox adjusted <====definitely feels like its diff timing for a few characters already.
U2 damage up to 410 <====im all about the U2 if thats the case LOL
ex seismo no longer has upper-body invincibility <==== lower body invince?? haha
far hk has been removed, and has been replaced with a move that resembles that of Cammy’s <=== cammy’s normals are gdlk

You’re so positive, Mikoal… lol

you forgot 700 health and 300 stun, also she can only jump forward. I mean, SHE CAN FEINT HER MOVES! HOW CHEAP IS THAT? NERF NERF NERF HURR DURR

all i want is a good focus attack :slight_smile:

u forgot they are gonna make cr.mk -10 on hit and thunderknuckle cant break armor unless its EX.

Take away overhead and make her fastest normal 13f startup. With a hitbox smaller than her hurtbox.

She should get the following:

Faster forward and backdashes. - She is wear jet powered boots and should count more than just a super jump.

Overhead should be special cancellable - for overhead mix up shenanigans.

FIXED HITBOXES. - nuff said.

Ultra 1 needs to move the opponent towards her so that all the hits connect if the blast connects, looking at you Adon. Also the Last hit of the ultra 1 animation should be a spiking hit, strictly cosmetic change in every aspect, with a built in taunt like ultra 2 has.

less start up on lp and mp tk, nothing major but so that lp tk can be used as an anti air option like i do sometimes and so that mp/mk>mp TK isn’t beat out by grabs at max distance.

Add B+HK as a command normal, call it Viper Swat or Viper Spike, which would be that kick Uryo uses to swat people down from time to time. make it an untechable KD with a good hitbox to reward us for the crap we take from capcom.

What’s really sad is she will probably be bottom tier trash in MVC3 as well.

How do I know? I just got a feeling…

Unnecessary. We have fast enough forward dash and long enough back dash, and we have mobility from SJC anyway.

We want her FIXED, not make her broken.

Only three things need to be fixed: cr.mk, cl.mk, and U1. That is ALL the hitboxes that needs fixing.

Dudley, Rose, Ibuki, Cody, Guy, Honda, Viper… what? U1 just needs to have better horizontal radiuses on the flames. No need to change any mechanics on it.

Asking for too much. TK is balanced.

Again, asking for too much. Making it into a command normal would be pretty cool, but any time you would have to use it as a command normal, you can either DP or cr.hk anyway. I can’t think of a single situation where it would be more beneficial to have to use B+HK instead.

Honestly, there’s a very simple way of fixing Viper to be true to her roots.
GIVE HER FUCKING CAPTAIN FIRE
That is all.

CAptain fire would be nice…but what would be better is ,if she has captain commando’s seismo. all that range and electricity!!!