How?
My opinion of it is that the kid did have the right to defend himself, but I think stabbing the little shit 12 times is a little much. I mean after one stab I think they get the point and it’s a lot easier to survive a single knife wound instead of 12. The fact that he continued stabbing shows his intent to kill. Of course that could have just been him getting all caught up in the moment. Bullying is stupid, annoying and serves no purpose but to make yourself feel better for being a little shit stain. I’m glad he didn’t go to jail because that could have fucked with his entire life, a fine and a lot of community service would have been more acceptable than him just getting off free. In the end what has come out of it is a dead child, a family saddened (even though they should have done more to make sure their kid isn’t a prick), a kid who will probably not have friends for the rest of his high school career due to the fear of being stabbed(on the plus side I’m sure no one would fuck with him now), and a message to bullies everywhere to stop that shit. 2+ 2- Eh, could have been worse.
That’s what I’m asking in reply to people saying that the people who were there should have stopped him from stabbing the bully. If they can stop the kid then why not stop the bully?
ElderGOD on point this thread. Good show.
This needs to be quoted again.
This needs to be quoted a third time, with a few quotation marks added and some words bolded.
Thank you.
You’ve no right, at all, to say jack shit about “facts.”
You can’t assume the kid was intending to kill. Like you said, he could have been caught up in the moment or at least intending to inflict serious bodily harm so that he gets a message across. Sometimes, these little shits don’t get the message until you seriously fuck them up somehow. He did try to run away after all.
Again, sad that it had to end up with murder.
Things bullying has in common with cancer:
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[]Both aren’t “invited.”
[]Proactive avoidance is only partially successful at best.
[]In very few cases do either bullying or cancer go away on their own.
[]In every other case, the vast majority of them, intervention is needed to eliminate the problem.
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When I had testicular cancer in early 2010, I totally shouldn’t have gone ahead with the operation to have the affected testicle removed. That shit ain’t cool. I should have reasoned with the cancer, done only what was enough to stop it from hurting me, and rest assured I did the right thing. In my fucking grave.
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That sounds like two attempts to me. One, getting off the bus early. Two, attempting to get away after getting punched. The way this is written is kind of confusing since you’re not completely sure the event played out in this exact order. No body agrees there is a victor here. But the decision was made on this:
I’m still wondering what some of ya’ll think the suitable punishment would be.
Ugh editing on SRK is garbage. I’m just going to leave it as two separate quotes.
that’s the thing, you can’t assume he wasn’t either. I mean it’s one of the things people who are bullied fantasize about and I heard someone talk about earlier in this topic. The urge to kill their tormentors or the person bullying them. Let me look for it, I’m sure he’s not the only one who feels that way considering everyone here has so much aggression in them. lol
like tag, but in reverse?
everyone want it;
bullytag
Luckily for the kid it doesn’t matter what you think. The judge says:
No re:
I posted about being bullied myself earlier. I know how it felt, the urge to attempt to kill my own tormentors. Instead, I channeled the extreme hate into learning how to box and defend myself. Lost a few fights later on after that, then seriously started to beat the shit out of people messing with me. By the time I was heading to high school, I got the respect I deserved and was never messed with again.
I guess what’s more sad is that now-a-days, kids don’t know how to talk with their fists, and instead are quick to pick up weapons. On both sides.
You can use the evidence provided to make the logical assumption that he had no intention or desire to kill Nuno. He tried to get away from the situation twice.
You see. You take the evidence, you use that thing between your ears called a brain to think about what the evidence is telling you, then fomrulate a conclusion based upon it.
Kid didn’t want to fight
Kid got off bus early to avoid said fight.
Kid was followed and assaulted (From his blind spot to boot)
Kid tried to run away and was provoked once again into defending himself, with deadly force due to the dire situation presented to him.
This isn’t fucking hard to follow. He didn’t want to kill Nuno. He wanted NOTHING to do with Nuno. He did everything in his power to keep away from Nuno. Nuno created a situation where the kid felt the need to defend his life, and if that meant taking Nuno’s then so be it.
And he is 100% in the right for doing this. It’s too bad Nuno died but he created the situation that lead to his death. There is no one to blame here for the events that transpired but Nuno himself, and maybe his little posse, if that’s what they where.
So yes, I can say with quite a bit of certainty that the kid had no intentions of killing Nuno.
In my experience, a group of friends who are attacked by an outsider tend to stick together. This is another fallacy that I’ve seen to people nearly beaten to death in bars for applying. Could you theoretically intimidate a group of attackers by attacking “the alpha?” Maybe, but not likely. You don’t understand the group dynamics, and have no idea how they would react if suddenly pressed. Law Enforcement does not advocate this approach when dealing with aggressors either, and likely have more experience with it than most of us do. This illogical tangent also presupposes that you could actually win a fight against a prepared attacker without his friends assisting, which was likely their intention anyway. If you can do that, odds are high the aggressors really weren’t that much of a threat to you anyway.
I mean no offense, and I remember reading about your private school experiences in another country. This may be a difference cultural difference I take for granted.
see I’ve seriously been in a similiar situation. I’ve been in countless fights from being provoked and it never ended in such a tragic way. There were just fist fights. I guess times are different but who knows, maybe it’s for the better.
let’s not twist my words around first of all. The fact that he brought the knife at all shows “willingness to use it if anything” and probably kill. The fact that he avoided it shows intent to avoid the situation, but it doesn’t disprove his intent to use the knife if a situation does arise (such as a fight in this situation) and kill. You don’t have to be sane to understand that knives can seriously hurt someone and it takes very little to kill them with it.
100% in the right? I disagree. To logically and morally say that his decision had no wrong, is just, well wrong.
You’re posting due to your lack of knowledge/experience. I was in a similar situation where I got stronger and survived, but I was not ignorant like you are. I have seen people try to defend themselves and get killed in front of my eyes or receive permanent damage because they chose not to defend themselves at all. If you want to know how bad it was, multiple cases happened in a park that was bordered by a school with hundreds of witnesses and cops in the area and nothing ever happened to the bad guys. I defended myself because I had to and I did not use a weapon, but I was fully aware that my life could have easily ended as is common with others who go to the park who don’t know how to act.
I saw a kid try to act big and one up the head bully, one of his friends came from the basketball court, walked up from behind and shot the kid then bounced. I wasn’t a regular at that park so I didn’t know that that kid who was the head bully had connections like that.
I understand where a lot of you are coming from, all I am saying is that this shit can be construed in different ways, but regardless of that, it is all based on hearsay.
What documents, whose testimony? The kid on trial for manslaughter? Police incident reports that were gathered from talking to a bunch of inarticulate children? Where the fuck was the school bus driver? How do you stab one ziggan 12 times? Was he really getting away? I mean why not actually you know, run away? It seemed to me like they was gonna fight and dude sucker punched them so this kid decided to murk his ass Cod style.
Thread title is a bit edgy.
Sure he killed that asswipe, but self-defense doesn’t make you a murderer.
Yeah, there is the catch. He acted within his rights in his application of lethal force, undisputed after the ruling. Where blame falls will become very important very quickly in follow-up litigation. I suspect that the prosecution will be looking at potential liability for the family and other adults indirectly related to the incident. In similar rulings, there is certainly precedent. I’m afraid the suffering here is just the beginning.
And to all who wish that more bullies suffer the same punishment, I’d like to ask you why you believe this? What do you suspect it will change? Do you believe that aggressive behaviors will stop under the threat of punishment? Do you believe that “bullying” behaviors will not escalate into more violent offenses as the tools employed take a turn for the immediately lethal? I am well aware that there are no shortage of fatalities from blunt-force trauma caused in fist fights. But the mortality rate for stabbings is considerably higher.
Bottom line is that if you feel/know you cant or probably can’t defend yourself, you’re at the other peoples mercy until they stop beating you. Fighting back against a group is a risk that could result in death. You fall down from a hit, they kick you in the head a few times and you have brain damage. Its not worth it. He brought a knife “in case” he needed it. they followed him off the bus. he needed it. he used it.
Bully who couldve seriously injured persons grey matter is dead.
I don’t know if that’s bullying or just street/gang violence. That happens in my area, places like Harlem and Brooklyn. I don’t walk up to a park and label people who I see as trouble “head bully, bully henchmen, etc” I label them as thugs.