stabs teen
Witness: Yo, you got the bully now…
Well, at least you have some self-awareness; that’s more than some of the people here have.
Of course, but do we know how long it took for him to feel safe?
He was filled with adrenaline, and if you’ve never been in a real fight, you can’t appreciate how hard it is to use your judgement in a situation like that.
And, as quite a few people have said, twelve stab wounds could have been inflicted in less than five seconds of frantic flailing. Chances are, this kid stopped as soon as he realised the threat was over.
People are missing the vital parts of the article. He brought the knife to make a bluff, that is why he showed it to the bully and made a run for it, which is why he got hit on the back of his head. Him having a knife probably made the bully to be careful and brought his buddies (He is a trained combantant, he knew [if his father have any credit] how dangerous a knife can be).
I know the following is merely an assumption, but a trained Jui Jutsu (sorry for the fail spelling) knows how to disarm the opponent (it even have a seperate style versus armed opponents, even against various weapons), especially a weaker junior. Being cocky and too sure of himself could be another reason why he went against a knife armed kid.
Sadly there is no specific details about the moment of the assault, and no detailed info about the moments of stabbing, so I kinda understand why it is soo easy to jump the gun here. But at least avoid using personal experience in this particular argument, this kid was certainly NOT in his full mental stability, nor is even at the proper age to even begin thinking rationally, and he even tried to use every single non Violent solution: Running away, calling his Mom, the police, the school, and even resorted to a bluff (a Knife, proven by personal statement [the bullied junior] and the witnesses), which turned out to be the weapon for his killing.
Also Lol at training Karate / other martial arts. He already at a 10 year gap in combat experience, and 2 year younger than his original bully and his buddies. Heck, if I may assume at this point (since everybody is pouring in their theroy fighting), the bully could have be more careful and disarm the junior, and it wont be nice from there. Sadly I can already predict that in that scenario people will call him a “sissy” and “failure in stabbing”, not to mention “LOL he had a knife and lost?? Nub.”.
Stop acting like this was Julius Caesar.
Every little nick counts towards a “stab wound”, for medical purposes.
It ain’t like every stab was a hilt deep statement of solidarity against the threat of a return to imperialism.
Realistically, once the victim’s blade hand was outstretched, the majority of “stabs” were wrist motions.
Chances are, the first hit killed the bully, and either he didn’t realize he was already dead, and kept advancing, or else was immobilized or slowed down by the killing wound, and unable to retreat, which, to a kid scared out his mind, would seem like continued aggression.
It isn’t unrealistic at all to see how the bully would get a dozen wounds from the victim simply defending himself.
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http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
Also, you’re an idiot. Speaking of which…
Nonsense wrapped in bullshit wrapped in a vest.
Nonsense the first: it was 3 on 1. There was real, actual danger of all the things getting the shit kicked out of you by three people entails, including serious injury, permanent serious injury, and death. Very different from the 1v1 scenario you wrongfully think compares.
Nonsense the second: in your scenario, which, as stated, doesn’t fucking compare, a random stranger just attacked you for no reason. Depending on how the situation escalates, you may feel very rightfully endangered, and if you defend yourself, there’s a chance said random stranger will get hurt, or die. And it’s entirely possible you may not retain the control you very inaccurately think you would in that situation.
Nonsense the third: it was self-defense. LEGALLY self-defense. LOGICALLY self-defense. Okay why the fuck is Chrome red-underlining the word “defense?” I fucking spelled it right.
Nonsense the fourth: “two wrongs don’t make a right” is both a) technically correct and 2) wholly irrelevant to this situation. Because in this situation, there was a wrong, and there was a right, and it wasn’t a simple “knee jerk reaction.” Fuck. That. Noise.
you know, i’m pretty sure he just went there. as someone from the area in CO. when it happened this is such a rediculous statement. The columbine kids might have been outcasts, but they were hardly bullied. Not to mention the fact that they didn’t simply DEFEND themselves against an aggressor and or their “tormentor” (i like how he uses a euphemism here instead of simply calling the asshole kid in the current story just that) they specifically pre-meditated and pre-planned an all out fucking assault on that god damn school. Or you just not remember that they had planted pipe bombs and other explosives all throughout the school
fucking idiot.
maybe so, but it doesn’t change the fact lawfuly. also, if you carry a friggin weapon you’ve to take the consequences for EVERYTHING that happens while using it. 12 gun shots are 12 minimized finger pulls within 5 seconds under adrenaline… does it legitimate it? no.
use that friggin knife to threaten him so he backs off, okay - but using it and going rampage is not acceptable. it might be no real murder, but it’s still second degree murder under mitigating circumstances - like an accident. but hell no, not free of charge. there are many other ways to drive bullies off. he could have simply used pepper foam, which is not only safer and easier to handle then a knife, since you don’t need to go into qcq, but you also don’t endanger yourself to kill someone. I simply hate people who use lethal weapons. doesn’t matter how “weak” you’re allegedly are.
If you look at the original article, it doesn’t say anything about the bully knowing there was a knife involved.
It says the victim (Jorge) showed the knife to two other kids, but doesn’t specify who those kids are. My understanding is that the two kids who saw the knife were different from the bully.
Also, I don’t know where you guys are getting this 3v1 scenario from. The article says that several kids knew about the fight and announced it, and that several of them followed the bully off the bus. It doesn’t mean they helped attack - they probably followed to watch the fight, not because they were the bully’s lackeys.
Sounds like a 1v1 to me.
It’s sad that someone had to die, but honestly letting the kid get away with killing a guy is going to far. Sure he was getting bullied, and he defended himself, that’s all well and good. But he fucking killed a person. You don’t just let him walk.
are you really that stupid?
hes a 14 year old, bullied, threatened, being followed by 3 older guys, scared, KID. not some trained police officer.
try harder 
You seem to have a poor understanding of the law. “He fucking killed a person” is not open-and-shut that someone goes to prison.
There are a number of situations where you can kill someone and be well within your rights to do so. If someone’s robbing my house, I can kill them and walk scot-free. Killing someone in self-defense is also permitted in many cases, including this one. The kid demonstrated that he wanted nothing to do with the bully, even getting off the bus early to avoid a confrontation, and also trying to flee from the fight when the bully followed him off the bus. That’s 2 different times he tried to avoid confrontation with the bully. If he was unable to flee, that means either the bully had already grabbed him or that the kid was cornered. We already know that the bully threw the first punch, which landed on the back of the victim’s head.
This is such a CLASSIC case of obvious self-defense that I don’t know why people are even getting their panties up in a bunch over it.
^_-;
yup he is. can’t fix stupid.
My understanding of the law isn’t THAT poor. I know it’s not open-and-shut, but bullying is a particular situation that has a lot of other potential resolutions besides killing. If you’re getting robbed, you’re obviously not gonna try to talk the dude out of robbing you, you’re going to attack him because he’s stealing, trespassing, and could potentially have a weapon (you don’t know). That’s clearly an instance of self-defense where lethal force is justified.
I’m saying, he didn’t have to kill him. But he did. Letting him get away with that sets a dangerous precedent that essentially condones murdering bullies. All you have to do is follow the formula. Pretend to walk away. Let him hit you first. Stab the fool. As long as you haven’t told anyone that you’re baiting the bully to his death, you walk away like nothing happened.
Now I’m not claiming to know how bad the situation was, because I don’t. But in terms of high school bullying, I’d be willing to bet that most cases never need to go this far.
Because even self-defense cases usually end up with some kind of punishment, because a really young person died, and because everyone seems to want this kind of situation to happen more often.
Maybe this will scare some future would-be-bullies out of what they do. You hear about kids killing themselves so much over bullying lately, so it’s about time it happened to one of them. I know some people won’t agree but when I saw this article, I actually said “YES!”. Then my girlfriend walked over and saw the headline and also went “YES!”. Probably because we both had to deal with that kind of stuff when we were younger so we know how it can be.
Anybody asking for prison time is an idiot.
If anything prison would completely break him. Prison isn’t a good punishment, often it isn’t. What the fuck do you expect, he finds Jesus in prison and thinks hard about what he did? Especially in a enviorment filled with bullies? GTFO dumb asses.
If the first stab was the fatal one, would you say the same thing?
Is he suppose to pull his swings in the middle of a fight?
You think he should’ve went hand to hand with the son of a jiu jitsu teacher?
You’d rather the kid get beat up by the bully instead? You don’t think he has the right to defend himself?
Every action has a reaction, the kid didn’t have to bully him. He wouldn’t be dead if he acted right.
i’m not seeing why this is a bad thing???
But this isn’t how it should be.
Nor is it how it USED to be, in America.
Too many individual rights have been usurped by illegal laws (yes, illegal laws, as in they violate older, foundational laws of the land). These newer laws benefit no one but victimizers, particularly the special interests who “passed” such regulations who want such control over the populace.
Life?
Liberty?
The Pursuit of Property i.e. that which is proper to someone, paraphrased into “Happiness” so as not to allow for the, at the time of the Declaration of Independence’s writing, newly encroaching semantic shift amongst the peasantry’s usage and general misapprehension and misapplication of the term “property”, to justify slavery?
Yeah.
Fuck all of you Un-American assholes who would disagree with those rights being worth defending against another’s aggression by any and all means necessary.
Yes, this means even by killing the aggressor, for all of you slow kids in here.
You obviously have no concept of what America is supposed to be, or what living free ought entail.
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Seriously, this stuff has been getting way out of hand lately. I say let a few get murdered. Little fuckers deserve it anyway. Maybe it’ll put an end to it.
Another case where the victim is condemned (but not convicted) for self-defense, instead of condemning the actions of the person(s) inciting the violence.
The judge’s decision was pure gold and this Dylan sounds like a real asshole and imo would have been killed by another one of his victims that reached a boiling point if Jorge didn’t stab him to death. Jorge saved a lot of people from Dylan’s tyranny. One less asshole to deal with who’s only contribution to society is misery and grief.
A punch to the back of the head is considered deadly force in some cases, so Jorge was in the right to respond with deadly force. Some of you questioning his response do realize that even a half clean shot to the back of the head can result in death or permanent mental damage? I work in a place with individuals that have mental disabilities. Trust me some of you sympathizing with Dylan or questioning Jorge’s reaction wouldn’t give the bully an inch if you saw some of these people.