of course not, dont get it, you make it sound like if the order of characters affect assists
i use Dorm second cause stalking flare is +16 on block and boost the damage output of Thor, and bc chaotic flame while not safe has amazingly fast startup and punish people calling assists and pressing buttons, so its very similar to Spell of Vishanti as a DHC. Dark dimension is out from frame 0 so its also viable. So yes, i build my teams to boost the point character neutral game with DHCs
Vale of mist is extremely unsafe on wakeup situations. Okami shuffle is also very unsafe against characters with teleport. The mist is only viable in the neutral after of a spell of vishanti. Strange gives amazing TACs, and i have some amazing DHC tech for Strange that it would be stupid not to play him second (as stupid as playing Thor/Skrull/Sentinel), and ammy is a pretty solid anchor with great comeback factor. When i lose Thor i know that my chances to win reduce a lot, cause Strange and Ammy really dont have answers against the people i usually play on incoming other than blocking or trying to evade mixups in the corner, wish Strange had some kind of invincible stuff in the air like Sent
Gaming aside, why do you speak like you’re better than everyone? I’ve been reading posts for pages and pages it’s your pompous tone people are having an issue with. Word choice and delivery matter more than what you’re saying or how right you are.
DJ and Saitsu at least take the time to try and explain/help the rest of us out. Over never played high level thor and want to but whenever I ask a question, those two and Chef are there offering advice. You just verbally mow people over and leave.
Be constructive. If you want people to trust you and listen, for their sake not yours then you have to be a more patient teacher (especially for a guy who wants to see great Thor play everywhere).
And for the record, OTG assists are perfectly fine, some Dorm players use them and so do trons that have playing staple teams. If lazy means a dead character vs a potentially botched input while someone’s learning then so be it.
I just dont get the logic of some people, for example mr Drk, if you had to pick one of those teams, would you go for Thor/Skrull/Sentinel or Thor/Sent/Skrull? serious answer pls -.-
There are some disrespectful ppl here in these forums like Chef so dont expect kind words of me for these dudes. I say **** stuff to Saitsu and DJ but they know i love them like forum randoms can love other forum randoms :shy:
Stalker Flare is extremely punishable when used neutrally like that, even from a DHC. Wake up, assist call, super jump beats it. In fact, if you don’t space it right, crouching :l: beats it, so that +16 on block isn’t even a thing, and that’s 2 bars spent in neutral wasted. Chaotic Flame is not safe. It’s fast, but when characters can block it full screen, dash up, and still get a punish, then you’re not really using it. Dark Dimension is only out in 0 frames if you’re right next to the person. If you’re two or three character spaces away, it’s reactable, so in comparison to Doom, those neutral DHC’s are not good at all.
Vale of Mist is still a better neutral DHC than Spell of Vishanti or Seven Rings. If you DHC into the Spell at point blank, you’re getting punished, and if you DHC into the Vale point blank, you’re getting punished, so safety right there isn’t what it’s about, but when you’ve got the space, putting someone in block stun, and DHCing out into the Vale makes you safe, and puts you in the advantage.
So again, I say neutral game DHCs shouldn’t be one of the main reasons when forming a team if it means you sacrifice having your characters run with neutral assists. If Thor dies on your team, having Strange with Cold Star is good. Yes, you have some nice gimmicks with THCs and DHCs, but more importantly, you get Strange with Cold Star. When Thor dies on your other team, you get TACs that you’ll be able to throw out in those situational situations, but more importantly, you get Dorm with missiles. That assist value is what allows the characters to operate with or without meter.
That’s really all there is to the logic I’m presenting. You can accept it or refute it, but aside from that, there’s really no where left for this conversation to go.
Actually, I don’t know that you love me based on the posts you make, and I honestly would have you on ignore for the disrespect alone, but I put up with it for the sake of attempting to have an actual discussion. That’s just the kinda guy I am. When I see someone with a different point of view, I go out of my way to understand it, and if I don’t like it or find fault with it, I’ll say why, hoping to see if their position is worth me changing or redefining mine. If given a choice, I would much rather you change or attempt to show a little bit of respect, because when you deem it necessary to berate me for my position, you lose your credibility, I lose interest, and depending on my mood, I’ll start arguing for the sake of arguing until I get bored. But given all that, if you’re not willing to show some respect to me (or if you think for whatever reason that you can dog on me for the lulz), at least try to show respect to new members and lurkers trying to pick up Thor. When someone comes in posting a video, the first thing out of your mouth shouldn’t be, “80% of it sucks.” That’s just not cool. I understand that you wanna see good Thor play, but a little respect goes a long way.
With that being said I’m a Thor fanatic but I want to get into high level play. I want to play Thor/Dorm/IM and was playing Tron/Thor/Deadpool for a while.
When it comes to Iron Man, there’s Unibeam and there’s Repulsor Blast. Repulsor Blast is a great assist for stuffing things defensively. Good lock down allowing for some mix ups. It’s big enough set up some things on incoming. Pretty solid all around, but when working with Thor, I personally think that Unibeam is the way to go.
Unibeam is a perfect assist for Thor because it’s a beam that keeps the opponent standing, which means you can combo from it if it hits. Spam that assist button when you’re trying to make your advance, and you’ll feel free to move around as you please with your Strikes and tridashes. @#Duck Strong# recently had some footage of how well it worked for him at the last Canada Cup, so to get a visual queue of what I’m talking about:
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Thor and Dormammu work well together because Thor builds meter for him, and a hit from him can lead to a Stalker Flare combo extension. Pretty much do your basic air combo into Tornado, Run, 3 red charges, teleport, big bang, dark hole, flames. Only works mid screen, in the corner, you’ll have to get your spells, and then run oki on the other guy. But if you choose to run Dorm with Purification, you’ll be able to get an SSS ender in the corner, which will allow you to DHC from Tornado into Flames or Flare into Proton Cannon. Or if you want a less optimal combo, but still want to burn three bars to get all your DHC’s out from a hit, you can do a basic air combo, into an :s: knock down. Charged :h: Smash into Tornado. You’ll be able to go into Flames and Cannon from there.
Dormammu with a beam assist of any kind allows him to run his teleport cross ups, and again, since Unibeam keeps them standing on hit, the conversion into a combo will be easy. And you’ll be able to get some space with your charges and such at full screen.
When choosing your Dorm assist, like I said, Purification allows for SSS enders in the corner. It also allows you to cover a vertical portion of the screen in neutral which is nice, and sorta fits the bill for lock down at close range, even though it’s not the best at it. I personally think Dark Hole works better for those situations, but with Dark Hole, you lose your combo extension. So it’s just a matter of choosing between more damage with Thor, or more safety with him. Thor does have his ways of staying safe, though, so it’s pretty much just preference.
Iron Man anchor is tough to work with. He’s got some good incoming things after a kill, but don’t expect a 1v3 comeback. He does do will in 1v1 situations, though, so make sure you practice with him so you’re on point if you ever get to that situation.
Your Tron/Thor/Deadpool probably won’t get you far competitively unless your fundamentals are at least as good as Abegen, and even still the team has some faults that can be exploited by a good player with a good team. Tron and Thor have some DHC synergy, but Deadpool has nothing to aid any of them outside of an OTG assist, which would be fine if you had another assist to offer for your neutral, but that’s not the case here. Thor needs to have either a lock down or a beam/projectile to fully operate. Once you have that, then you can look into other things.
DJ, when using the repulsor assist with Thor, if you call it after a H smash late on in the combo, I presume they tech out before repulsor hits? If so, do they get held in the air by the assist or do they drop down to the ground by the time the assist finishes?
last time I checked Ammy has parrys which she can get a full combo off. she’s a great anchor because she has answers for almost everything an opponent can throw at her. strange wouldn’t make sense an anchor because away from SoV, xf, SoV he’s a pretty weak anchor choice. not the worst but definitely not the greatest. like I said earlier. ammy gives strange a lock down assist to start up his sheninagens and mixups.
I’m actually looking for the tech to happen. They tech, and are forced to block the assist. I’m hoping that leaves them in the air, because they cannot escape a follow up air mighty hurricane when they come out of block stun. (yeah of course delayed pushblocking can throw this off of course)
Ghost Rider/Thor/Strange, with A-A-B assist, the team is more built around Ghost rider but I think it works well for Thor, should I even need to tag out Ghost Rider, Thor can use GR’s chain of rebutal assist to get a wall bounce right after a launch, going for some might strikes, I have not got all my combos figured out but the team overall seems solid enough I think
That’s pretty much how most Dorm teams go. You run him second because you want to bring him in on your terms and start the momentum. He gets the momentum off of the point character, and he keeps it with the anchor’s assist. If you lose Dorm, chances are you lost your point, too, so obviously the assist anchor in the back is going to struggle as well, as it should, because if it comes to that, you made at least two crucial mistakes in the match.
im not saying anything. That was FChamp, the best dorm in the world, commentary, and he also run that team in this order: Doom/Sentinel(drones)/Dorm, but whatever. I have been messing in the lab with Thor/Vergil/Doom, god thats a cheap team :3
