It’s obviously a punish tool. What’s important is figuring out what Breathless can punish, that Soulless can’t. Once we have that information, it will become a lot more clear which Ultra should be used in which matches, if the punishment aspect of U2 is worth trading off the comboability of U1, etc.
Just 1.
Played a few matches vs. Ibuki last night. Man are her target combos annoying, they feel like MVC2 air combos but on the ground. She has the potential to stun you super quick ala Sakura with her resets stemming from an ambigous Kunai on oki, her high low game is pretty gangster, her overhead is slow and telegraphed as fuck. So far she’s the only one with a “command grab”(Raida) that beats TT clean, but it’s just because it’s considered a hit even though it looks like a grab animation. EX-TT should beat it but it is an armor break but ex-tt is invincible unfortunately for her. She was fucked once I got her into a block string. I still like Souless for this match-up because the scaling won’t be much of a factor due to her fragility.
You guys talking all the scaling stuff… I don’t know. Soulless still seems to do a shitload of damage, to me.
That’s true. Comboing into souless still hurts more than landing breathless at the end of the day. Breathless is good but soo many people are claiming it’s gdlk. I’m not really comfortable with an Ultra that I have to just wing out like I would a jab super.
im like a lot of the people who were wow’ed at their first experience with u2 and i started believing it till i experienced stuff it would lose to. not to say its not good but like the rest of the cast its definitely more situational than i first thought it out to be. i like the speed and the ability to punish shit u1 didn’t but i don’t think u2 is something that should be used exclusively.
eh some people are talking as if U1 cant punish a lot of moves too.
hmm i guess with ssf4, there are gonna be loads of new players going to start posting here… history gon repeat itself? D:
i still think the fact that you cant combo into it already makes it kinda sucks, maybe set it up in a reset combo hk roll ultra release upon seeing whiffed stuff iono…
whatever im still playin?sf4 while waitin for my copy, matter fact im entering a 2on2 intermediate lvl tourney this sunday 
Well I’m sure U2 is gonna be great vs people who love to focus and backdash to bait shit, but thats more a player thing. I’m pretty sure Im gonna use U2 as much as U1, does U2 punish fbs fullscreen though like U1?
so does u1… most ultras(especially the kinds that moves forward quickly) punish focus/backdash…
I don’t think it does… But if it does, U2 would be ass for this situation because Ex-Fbs and Akuma’s red FB would stop Abel dead in his tracks.
Oh boy, maybe someone should just go ahead and make an “Abel Sucks: Grievances and Rants Thread”, “How to land f.mk xx st. fp?” get that shit compiled before we get 10 million threads.
To the “Abel sucks” thread people:
True, some of Abel’s stuff got better. But if you thought he sucked in vanilla, he’s pretty much still the same. So if he sucked for you then he’ll suck just the same for you now.
u2 only goes about 3/4ths of a screen and you’re screwed if you try to punish an ex fireball. also if you’re a little bit late on your reaction they can mash out another move i.e. ultra to beat yours. i’d say the only character you’d likely try to punish with u2 would be guile but even then they made his sonic boom charge faster and that wouldn’t be a good idea at all.
basically if you know you’re gonna be fighting a character reliant on fireball spam stick with u1.
I would never try to U1 vs chuns backdash though and other good fast ones.
Well, U1 is more than fast enough to catch Chun backdashing.
His Falling Sky is incredibly better
U2 Rapes most characters but fireball characters are not good to go against with it, I still go U1
His normals are faster and he feels faster in general
He got really good buffs that I believe will place him A Tier
How does breathless affect the Rog matchup, I wonder.
I’mma try and play Super tonite and try out new, improved Abel. i’ll post back if i find anything interesting.
I totally understand where you guys are coming from in regards to U2. I’ve been telling my friends the same thing (they don’t play Abel). guess we’ll see later tonite. =D
reversals beat the armor from U2, correct? if so, you cant really reset into U2…
They say you cant grab dash punches, so Im guessing they will try to use the gut punch rush since it breaks armor. I dont see it helping honestly. I can’t see any situation where U2 would be a good idea to use, none of his moves other than a headbutt can be punished really.
reset into U2 just think about that.
and maybe since u can grab ex punches is U2 fast enough to grab before the move comes out? as for me i still see myself using U1 when i get my hands on the game. U2 sounded good but you guys over hyped that shit way too much and it seems kinda shitty (well not my style). as for using it like how u use super? (someone poste dit earlier) its not like super, super most ppl just throw it out hoping it will work while U2 is a PUNISHMENT ultra sure u can use super to punish but thats not my choice, i would rather save the meter unless it will kill. with the info given you use U2 to punish things whiffed moves etc. HAV is right, once we figure out what U2 can punish that U1 cant we will see where its good. super and U2 different, U2 if your going to throw it out like u would super just dont even play abel.
I think that guy said using U2 like Super because others were saying they felt like they were getting people only because they were caught off guard, like when you try to use Super in vanilla. which in that case, makes sense, but like you stated U2 is used to punish things.
lol i just wanted to throw that reset into U2 idea in the garbage because people were thinking just stuff it into mixups… but people forget reversals break armor. =p
Unless i missed it, did we ever get confirmation on whether or not any of the CoD’s are safe on block?
CoD’s are unchanged afaik
I am going to play some more on the now YES!!! Will report more findings.