Guy is indeed a pain in the ass. His elbow is also very difficult. I would like to hear some good strats against elbow pressure cause I fought several Guys who knew that this is tough for abel and exploited it.
btw yes it’s preliminary but I still get a kick out of how Abel is in the top 5 of preliminary japanese tier list (on the main page). ha we’ll see if that lasts but it’s nice after vanilla.
elbow drop? or hozanto?
I’m not 100% but I have noticed his roll distances may be a little different. Have had no time to test yet though. I will from today be testing a whole bunch of shit that’s in my head.
close st.hp is really good in dealing with guy’s run elbow thing (supposedly “safe” move)… i totally shut down a guy player just now, of course i used other tools too but i countered almost all of his attempts to get in with that elbow thing with close st.hp.
Is it just me or is breathless unavoidable with some characters? I was just playing a gief, knocked him down then activated breathless. He was just outside green hand range. He jumped backwards and I still caught him. what could he have done to not get hit?
If he jumped backwards and couldn’t get out of range his forward jump probably would have crossed you up… I think. Otherwise there’s nothing Gief could have done except jump at the right time. I’m definitely going to try to find that range you are talking about 
His elbow drop isn’t safe, it just surprisingly beats out a lot of peoples’ AA options. Luckily Abel doesn’t have to deal with that crap too much as most of his AAs work against it. Also, walking under it is probably the best way to counter it (essentially a free punish).
On the Gief forum no one has any idea how to fight U2.
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Any ideas what Gief can do other than psychic jump avoidance? How long can you hold the ultra before it is “forced” to activate?
maybe now gief has to play this match up like abel… dont get knocked down. lol
as for how long, i think long enough for someone to jump twice.
I’m ok with a more balanced matchup, because we all know this used to be a nightmare for Abel…but this new ultra almost seems free, which I don’t like. How do other characters counter it? Is jumping the only answer? I mean this thing beats out UAB, which is just crazy.
Did you catch him on the way up or down?
Breathless hitboxes: http://ff.im/jVqjT
Zangief jumping hitboxes: http://ff.im/jVt58
I knew that ultra was free on Gief haha. Most other characters are out of range if they jump backwards or can jump over you. But Gief can do neither at the right range haha. WTF wait… I thought Giefs armor breaker was green hand… why did it get absorbed…
Way down. He jumped Backwards and I caught him during his landing frames. I still have the replay I think if anyone wants me to upload it.
gief has no armor breaker.
^^^ lariat/ex gh
the moves don’t have armor breaking properties. i’ve absorbed one hit of lariat with breathless and still grabbed gief.
EX GH is just several rapid hits, so of course it works.
besides jumping over/getting out of range, people need to stop with the only armor breaking moves beat U2 crap. any(most?) quick multiple hitting moves also can beat it… what about ex green hand?
" I mean this thing beats out UAB" — a lot of things beat UAB. no shit.
if U2 is free damage against gief, fair enough, gief and his okizeme against abel is close to free damage too. at least gief only needs to decide when to jump, compared to the shit abel need to risk on wakeup against gief. lol
giefs okizeme = more mindfuck than breathless, imo.
oh and if the abel does breathless while youre on the ground, reversal lariat or gh might also do the trick but whatever 
. (edit: tried it, wont work lol)
gief deserves that “free” damage imo… as for “used to be a nightmare”, well guess what, giefs okizeme still fucks abel on wakeup just as bad, so its not so bad for gief really.
though honestly, people are gonna find ways to escape/avoid/neat this soon… just a matter of time.
I’m gonna upload the video now. As I never ever use Gief I can’t really tell if it’s free or not.
EDIT: But isn’t breathless faster than ex green hand?
It’s kind of silly that that video is all “Gief has no way to deal with Breathless!” And the entire thing is him trying variations of SPDs on him. So no, SPD/FAB/UAB won’t work. You can still jump over or out, or EX Green Hand.
I don’t see why there’s QQ because Gief can’t throw Abel out of his throw Ultra.
hahaha damn i just watched that vid, talk about exaggeration …
its nice to see clueless gief players QQing over U2… those with a clue might not QQ but actually thinkin of “proper” ways to escape/beat it or better, think of ways to beat abel despite eating one “free” ultra.
anyway so i went in training mode and set the abel to do a meaty U2 on giefs wakeup, i can jump up and U2 to escape(sure chances to get punished is there, but better than eating ultra?), or jump back/over to escape… of course things might differ based on spacing and all but yeah, avoid being knocked down in that position then… thats all i can think of right now.
to gief players, just give it more time, someone will figure something out. just be thankful its not as bad as abels options on wakeup vs gief.
and im off to bed XD
Here is what happened
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Now I look at it again, he was probably just in ex green hand range. But He didn’t have any meter X-D
To me it didn’t look like he would cross me up if he jumped at me but I don’t know. What do you guys think?