Breathless... SUPER Abel Match Theory Thread

aye man can i add you online arkayne?

When I get my xbox back Ill add you up. I forgot it at my brothers place 2 hours from where I live… lol

Akuma’s sweep is punishable by U2 at any range. Show them Akuma’s sweeps aint free!

I renamed Able’s U2 to “The 1070” Because he doesn’t give a shit who you are. If he catches you you’re getting thrown out.

/end joke.

Shit’s ‘HAPPY BIRTHDAY!’ 2.0. When he throws you up in the air he’s like “SURPRISE, BITCH!”

eh you sure? or is it just a timing, spacing, strength of TT thing? cuz im almost sure i TTd a gief out of his ultra before… someone wanna test this? (im takin a break for the day, need to do work lol)

Ok got back on and tested it. TT still beats Giefs U1, guess he just did it too early, still looked weird.

Some good points about Breathless. I think it’s the threat of it more than anything.

One thing I will say is that, at 1:00, you use Breathless kind of defensively and Cammy tries to jump over you and punish, and she didn’t really know what to do. Raw ultra for her (and most everyone) beats Breathless clean, even from in front of Abel. So she can easily react to Breathless with her own ultra and you take big damage. This comes back to opponents not really understanding the move yet, I think.

The reason I bring it up is because I believe Cammy players will be able to figure out OS setups or different timing on their wakeup game where they can react with ultra to Breathless, and this can still make Cammy scary in close. You’re right in that it gives you a reprieve from some options on the Cammy roulette, but in 3 months I think the roulette will just look a little different and still be pretty potent (and even worse, you might eat raw counter-hit ultra occasionally instead of “just” a dive kick combo).

I like Breathless because it can punish certain moves (hello Akuma sweep!) and people are scared of it. Against less experienced players, you might get a free ultra if they try their robotic wakeup game on you and you can easily see they misstimed a jump, or it increases the likelihood that people will do nothing after they knock you down.

Ah sorry forgot to add, it’s all on block. And do tell whats wrong please. I did it kinda late so might have been off in timing/execution on some.

Actually… Cammys ultra 1 doesn’t have armor break… so You might be able to grab her from raw ultra.

I’mma test it now

Edit:

Nah can’t grab her before/after flash you absorb 1 hit than get hit with the rest of ultra

it doesnt have to be an armor breaking move to beat U2… just like ex spiral arrow will beat U2.

Hfz it isn’t armor break maybe reversal it is? but not normal… I made a video about that shit

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wait, im not sure what you’re trying to say… i thought it was mentioned earlier that cammy’s armor breaking move is the spin knuckle only… the rest, like any other special moves in this game, only breaks armor on reversal.

my prev post was a response to you for saying as if only armor breaking moves can beat abels U2, which isnt true (im sure you know about this though) thats all.

wtf is T Hawk all about!? Capcom fucked up making him, his flying geif whos quicker! Fuck all I can do about that tard, well pisses me off. FUCK U T HAWK AAARGHHH!!.. ahem anyway Im loving Ultra2, most players dont know how to react to it, soo funny watching Ryu standing there wondering whas goin on when I miss landing it lol

So far cant see any other major changes to the way I play abel

Im pretty sure you can grab her out of sk test later on phone right noe

T.Hawk match up is getting easier as long as you know how to punish… someone previously posted using hp falling sky, which works beautifully just gauge your spacing well. I see Thawk jump and I’m either whiffing falling sky for meter or grabbing him out of his condor dive, you can also do this for his condor spire, but much stricter timing. or Just block thawks condor dive and follow-up with COD, Thawk’s dive isn’t safe on block. Better Thawks will not use these unsafe moves at random, but many others will, hehe. You can also throw Thawk quite often with a normal throw. Do a safe jump-in and block or backdash to avoid getting hit or thrown. There are a number of options, just experiment in the match, no shame in losing as long as you learn something on the way out.

I hear this. She gets raped once Abel gets a knock-down. The only thing she can really safely pressure him with is her axe kick, but then I’m pretty sure Abel can just ex falling sky it.

From my testing, safe jumps can be U2’d. However, if you have a 3-frame, invincible reversal, they could opt to do a regular jump-in (where you would still be forced to block, and then startup U2) and still have enough time to do their reversal. I assume this works with only 3-frame, invincible reversals cause I only tested it against Ken (thus, same concept against Ryu/Akuma).

Now how does this apply to your post? Same concept, except instead of a safe jump with normal you have a safe jump with a TKCS and Cammy’s DP (Canon Spike) has a 5-frame startup. I just need to test it against 5-frame, invincible reversals. Also, it’s relatively easier to read a safe jump than how meaty Cammy’s TKCS is.

I don’t know if any of that made sense… but I’ll get back to you guys on this, just gotta do some testing when I have time. lol

Cannon Spike starts invincible. Unless she’s throwable on the first frame (doubtful), empty jump -> Cannon Spike will avoid breathless. It’s really hard to time a move perfectly on the frame you land, though. For example, try jumping in front of Akuma during a demon and activate HP TT right when you land. It’ll be that hard.

Not if you mash DF + K LIKE A PRO