Breathless... SUPER Abel Match Theory Thread

I think we had the same idea when we saw his awesome new victory quote, HAV.

By the way, I need to buy a dog collar on the way home. What color would be best?

kaka brown.

Have you guys tried catching someone during their landing frames (on an empty jump or an early air normal)? I tried to do it but I wasn’t sure if I was doing it too early or too late. Probably should’ve went into training mode when I had to chance. Oh well, tomorrow.

I set a dummy on training mode to “jump” and yes it does work in that sense. It was fairly easy to be consistent with that as well. Again this isn’t something that is going to last long.

Long term all I see breathless doing is shutting down pressure which used to be safe before.

I’m really looking forward to spending more time learning the aspects of his normals and zoning game however. I think we’re not (me included) looking enough at what other new potential Abel has besides an ultra I personally still don’t have too much faith in yet.

This. What other changes has he received, anyone got any hard changes other than his sweep?

Phew…

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Holy fuck. Good shit HAV. 1+1 is pretty damn ridiculous… This new ultra is really going to bring plenty of punish options to the table… What’s the range like on Hakans far MK ? if Breathless has instant range and only 1 frame of start up, this shit is going to be immediately useful in a TON of match ups

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Can you test it against Ken’s roundhouse tatsu on hit? Leaves him at -1. Gief is able to Ultra afterwards (obv.).

if it has 1 frame startup you can easily link if off of tons of shit. sounds crazy.

Aww fuck. I tested this shit wrong.

The Ultra freeze was eating my jump inputs. Sorry guys. Shit’s not 1 frame :rofl:

Testing now to see just how fast it is, without fucking up this time. :sad:

Not really, seeing as it’s a grab, and grabs can’t be combo’d into - unless you were talking about something else lol

I dont think you can combo it since its a grab, still going to be one of the best ultras in the game. Abel is going to be (more) scary in SSFIV

It’s a grab though, you can’t grab on hit stun. Or else abel nation would multiply like wild pigs.

1 frame startup sounds so juicy.

edit: not sounding so juicy right now :rofl:

aww snap false alarm lol

damn it one more day for me… going to play vanilla later tonight… :rofl:

Fuck false alarm lol

I just played my friends sim .

damn dhalsim really improved. He is one of the most improved characters i think.

  • his normals are so much better now

his short slide owns
his drills are sick and they give him so much advantage
his twin laser seems to have less recovery
his air normals seem to have more priority

  • his jump went from being garbage too stupid good.

he leaves the ground really fast
he jumps higher

i think his backdash is better too . It felt more like gens backdash

  • his teleport is so good now.

It has a lot less recovery making it hard to punish

i could be mistaken about some things since im not a sim player but it looks like dhalsim has ST a3 normals now + his sf4 mixup. I think hes too sick now

I have some vids but i cant upload them right now. Maybe later

It punishes moves -8 or worse.

Sorry guys. What a fucking buzzkill.

Start-up is 1+8, which is so much less sexy.

oh it’s a grab. I have not been keeping up with ssf4 abel at allllll.

Yeah, that sounded too good to be true. =d My guess was close! (1+7)

Like I said earlier in my posts, Sim is improved but Abel’s normals surprisingly beat a lot of his limbs now due to the improve priority/hit box/range on Abel’s normals, making it look more trouble some for Sim. Feels like you can play footsies with him in a weird sort of way.